Activist groups: No funds for Israel
A group of students at UNM is following the University of California Berkeley’s trend by starting a “Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions” campaign against Israel.
This means the removal of school funds from groups that make a profit in Israel, said Nada Noor, a spokeswoman for UNM’s Coalition for Peace and Justice in the Middle East.
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“Our aim is not to target Israel for the sake of targeting Israel but rather target companies engaging in and profiting from illegal, destructive and inhumane behavior,” she said. “Unfortunately, this will take a lot more than a Google search to locate.”
UC Berkeley and UC San Diego students recently brought motions to their student senates, but both were ultimately shot down, Noor said.
“A senate vote in favor of a divestment resolution would be nice, but a silent vote in favor is less significant than a prolonged debate. If you think about it, that’s why UC Berkeley’s campaign was still a great success,” she said.
The group is working to investigate which companies that have contracts with UNM are profiting from illegal activities in Israel, Noor said. She said the wave of student movements from the campaign is similar to student movements against the South African apartheid.
“As we know, the BDS campaigns against South Africa’s apartheid system began with students at universities around the country,” she said.
Donald Gluck, president of the Israel Alliance at UNM, said he thinks protests that are aimed against Israel, such as movements for BDS, are inherently racist.
“What bothers us is it doesn’t seem like Israel behaves worse than other countries,” he said. “If Israel behaves just as well as Somalia, or better than them, how come they come down on Israel? Because Jews are there.”
Noor said her group is working for BDS against other countries that have committed human rights abuses.
“Other issues members are serious about include divestment from ongoing human rights violations in Sudan and China,” she said. “This should be applied to this particular issue as well as other human rights and environmental issues.”
Israel Alliance spokeswoman Lynn Provencio said a BDS campaign could end up hurting the people it’s trying to help.
“We think this is a bad deal from several directions. (The Palestinian) economy relies on the Israeli economy quite a bit, so if you harm Israel’s economy you’re not doing Palestine any good,” she said. “This isn’t a movement aimed at helping the Arabs. It’s aimed at hurting Israel.”
Marc Prowisor, who spoke at UNM last week and works with security projects in Israel, said the BDS movement is likely to hurt Palestinian residents of Israel.
“I think it’s ridiculous. … The more companies that are hurt, the people really getting hurt are the Arab residents,” he said. “People just don’t realize the reality there, because they don’t live it.”
The best solution to any conflict in Israel is “to understand the full dynamics. I’ve always gotten along with my Arab neighbors,” Prowisor said.
“There’s so many different parties involved. It’s classic Middle East. There are parties that want to live in peace, and there are parties that simply don’t,” he said. “People prefer war to peace. It’s more profitable, I guess.”
The campaign won’t have any serious effect on Israel’s economy, Noor said.
“The goal of BDS was never to change Israel’s behavior or policies,” she said. “In fact, even a decent BDS campaign is unlikely to exert any economic pressure on Israel at all.”
That doesn’t mean the campaign is worthless, Noor said, because it still gets people to talk about the issue.
“It sheds light on the direct relationship we have with the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and the effects their conditions (have) on ours. The issue seems far too distant in mainstream media,” she said.
Noor said her group is also working for “Socially Responsible Investing.”
“SRI is about more than divesting from the bad; it is also about investing in the good and improving current investments,” she said.
“Socially Responsible Investing (means) taking responsibility for our direct and indirect actions.”
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by Sam
Why is it that whenever someone criticizes israel that is automatically turned into a racist or antisemetic matter. Israel and not jews are and have caused great harm to the palastenians ! Yes the palastenians have faught back and cause harm, but whats a rock against an f-15 or battle tank. I think isreal needs to admit to what it had done and palastenians need to try to live in peace with israelies. please take judaism out of the equation, it has nothing to so with it as im sure many jews will tell you that.
Flag for moderationby Boycott Israeli Apartheid & War
The divestment movement is spreading fast:
http://dearbornboycottsisrael.blogspot.com/
Flag for moderationby slowhike
“Our aim is not to target Israel” but we’re boycotting Israel and professing support for divestment in Israel holdings. Sounds a bit incongruent at first glance, why not boycott Pakistan or Egypt where terrorist come from. Why is it fashionable to boycott Israel. Are we back on the “poor Palestinians” chant again?
Flag for moderationby Bob
Well sure, who better than Berkley and UNM students to determine what’s best for Israel and Palestinians. Of course these students know best.
Flag for moderationby Join End of the Year Jew Bash!
Andrew Beale’s last hurrah? He’ll surely be welcome at any nearly bankrupt leftist newspaper and newspapers like the Alibi which is ten times bigger than the Daily Lobo with both taking thirty seconds to read which means the advertisers, who fund this crap, aren’t even noticed in the thumbthrough!
Beale tried to balance his leftist tilt by having Gluck and Provencio comments but who gave him this assignment or is he free to pick his own which we all know are on far-left!
End of the Year Jew Bash!
Flag for moderationby Texans for Israel
Before you boycott Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeky9I5T9c
We at Texans for Israel would like to help interested students boycott Israel properly.
First, you need to get rid of your laptop. The Intel chip that allows it to run was developed in Israel. If you are really bent on taking down the awful war machine that happens to have the most museums per capita in the world, you must power down immediately. If you happen to have a PC, make sure it does not run a Windows operating system, because the three most recent were developed by Microsoft Israel.
If you are forced to use your computer, make sure you do not use AOL Instant Messenger, Gmail chat or any other instant-messaging system. The patents for these systems were developed in Israel, and we wouldn’t want to support that under any circumstances.
Next to go should be your cell phone. The first cell phones were developed in Israel, and it would be a tragedy if we made this a boycott of convenience. If we are really committed to bringing down the nation that produces more scientific papers per capita than any other country, we can’t be brought down by our imperialistic cell phones.
If you are concerned about the environment, boycotting Israel could be difficult. Many solar power plants use technology that was invented by Israelis, and many of them were even installed by these terrible people. On the upside, the increased fossil fuels you will use will support freedom fighters such as Hamas and al-Qaida who are dedicated to bringing down the evil country that has the most Ph.D.s per capita.
If you are a farmer, particularly in dry areas of Texas, do not use drip irrigation on your fields. This method of irrigation that saves thousands of gallons of water per year was developed in Israel.
If you go to a hospital, you are going to have to take many special precautions to ensure that you are not aiding Israel. If you have a gastrointestinal disease, make sure that the doctors do not use a “pill cam” to diagnose you, as these were developed in Israel. If you are going to be screened for breast cancer, make sure you request a method that uses plenty of radiation. The radiation-free scanning method was developed in Israel, and exposure to radiation is a small price to pay to take down the Jewish state.
If you are involved in any human rights issues on campus, boycotting Israel will be very difficult. Israel has the best women’s rights record in the Middle East and is the only country in the region in which gay marriages are recognized. Also, Israel is the only country in the region that offers asylum to Darfur refugees.
So there you have it. You are now armed with all the necessary information to destroy the country that has given us Bar Refaeli, Natalie Portman and voicemail. Good luck!
Flag for moderationby Alan Dershowitz
Every year at about this time, radical Islamic students—aided by radical anti-Israel professors—hold an event they call “Israel Apartheid Week.” During this week, they try to persuade students on campuses around the world to demonize Israel as an apartheid regime. Most students seem to ignore the rantings of these extremists, but some naïve students seem to take them seriously. Some pro-Israel and Jewish students claim that they are intimidated when they try to respond to these untruths. As one who strongly opposes any censorship, my solution is to fight bad speech with good speech, lies with truth and educational malpractice with real education.
Accordingly, I support a “Middle East Apartheid Education Week” to be held at universities throughout the world. It would be based on the universally accepted human rights principle of “the worst first.” In other words, the worst forms of apartheid being practiced by Middle East nations and entities would be studied and exposed first. Then the apartheid practices of other countries would be studied in order of their seriousness and impact on vulnerable minorities.
Under this principle, the first country studied would be Saudi Arabia. That tyrannical kingdom practices gender apartheid to an extreme, relegating women to an extremely low status. Indeed, a prominent Saudi Imam recently issued a fatwa declaring that anyone who advocates women working alongside men or otherwise compromises with absolute gender apartheid is subject to execution. The Saudis also practice apartheid based on sexual orientation, executing and imprisoning gay and lesbian Saudis. Finally, Saudi Arabia openly practices religious apartheid. It has special roads for “Muslims only.” It discriminates against Christians, refusing them the right to practice their religion openly. And needless to say, it doesn’t allow Jews the right to live in Saudi Arabia, to own property or even (with limited exceptions) to enter the country. Now that’s apartheid with a vengeance.
The second entity on any apartheid list would be Hamas, which is the de facto government of the Gaza Strip. Hamas too discriminates openly against women, gays, Christians. It permits no dissent, no free speech, and no freedom of religion.
Every single Middle East country practices these forms of apartheid to one degree or another. Consider the most “liberal” and pro-American nation in the area, namely Jordan. The Kingdom of Jordan, which the King himself admits is not a democracy, has a law on its books forbidding Jews from becoming citizens or owning land. Despite the efforts of its progressive Queen, women are still de facto subordinate in virtually all aspects of Jordanian life.
Iran, of course, practices no discrimination against gays, because its President has assured us that there are no gays in Iran. In Pakistan, Sikhs have been executed for refusing to convert to Islam, and throughout the Middle East, honor killings of women are practiced, often with a wink and a nod from the religious and secular authorities.
Every Muslim country in the Middle East has a single, established religion, namely Islam, and makes no pretense of affording religious equality to members of other faiths. That is a brief review of some, but certainly not all, apartheid practices in the Middle East.
Now let’s turn to Israel. The secular Jewish state of Israel recognizes fully the rights of Christians and Muslims and prohibits any discrimination based on religion (except against Conservative and Reform Jews, but that’s another story!) Muslim and Christian citizens of Israel (of which there are more than a million) have the right to vote and have elected members of the Knesset, some of whom even oppose Israel’s right to exist. There is an Arab member of the Supreme Court, an Arab member of the Cabinet and numerous Israeli Arabs in important positions in businesses, universities and the cultural life of the nation. A couple of years ago I attended a concert at the Jerusalem YMCA at which Daniel Barrenboim conducted a mixed orchestra of Israeli and Palestinian musicians. There was a mixed audience of Israelis and Palestinians, and the man sitting next to me was an Israeli Arab, who is the culture minister of the State of Israel. Can anyone imagine that kind of concert having taking place in apartheid South Africa, or in apartheid Saudi Arabia?
There is complete freedom of dissent in Israel and it is practiced vigorously by Muslims, Christians and Jews alike. And Israel is a vibrant democracy.
What is true of Israel proper, including Israeli Arab areas, is not true of the occupied territories. Israel ended its occupation of the Gaza several years ago, only to be attacked by Hamas rockets. Israel maintains its occupation of the West Bank only because the Palestinians walked away from a generous offer of statehood on 97% of the West Bank, with its capital in Jerusalem and with a $35 billion compensation package for refugees. Had it accepted that offer by President Bill Clinton and Prime Minister Ehud Barak, there would be a Palestinian state in the West Bank. There would be no separation barrier. There would be no roads restricted to Israeli citizens (Jews, Arabs and Christians.) And there would be no civilian settlements. I have long opposed civilian settlements in the West Bank, as many, perhaps most Israelis, do. But to call an occupation, which continues because of the refusal of the Palestinians to accept the two-state solution, “Apartheid” is to misuse that word. As those of us who fought in the actual struggle of apartheid well understand, there is no comparison between what happened in South Africa and what is now taking place on the West Bank. As Congressman John Conyors, who helped found the congressional Black caucus, well put it:
“[Applying the word “Apartheid” to Israel] does not serve the cause of peace, and the use of it against the Jewish people in particular, who have been victims of the worst kind of discrimination, discrimination resulting in death, is offensive and wrong.”
The current “Israel Apartheid Week” on universities around the world, by focusing only on the imperfections of the Middle East’s sole democracy, is carefully designed to cover up far more serious problems of real apartheid in Arab and Muslim nations. The question is why do so many students identify with regimes that denigrate women, gays, non-Muslims, dissenters, environmentalists and human rights advocates, while demonizing a democratic regime that grants equal rights to women (the chief justice and speaker of the Parliament of Israel are women), gays (there are openly gay generals in the Israeli Army), non-Jews (Muslims and Christians serve in high positions in Israel) and dissenters, (virtually all Israelis dissent about something). Israel has the best environmental record in the Middle East, it exports more life saving medical technology than any country in the region and it has sacrificed more for peace than any country in the Middle East. Yet on many college campuses democratic, egalitarian Israel is a pariah, while sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, terrorist Hamas is a champion. There is something very wrong with this picture.
Flag for moderationby Anti-apartheid
There is blatant apartheid in the Middle East.
Claims of “Israeli Apartheid” ignore that while Israel has 20% Arab Muslim citizens with equal rights and opportunities, Arabs demand ethnic cleansing of all Jews from Judea, which they eventually hope to govern. And they condemn to death anyone selling or renting to Jews.
How can charges of ethnic cleansing and apartheid by Israel be reconciled with a growing population of Arab-Israelis? Conversely, the numbers of minorities has steadily fallen in areas governed by the Palestinian Authority.
Israel has Arab citizens in the government, judges, army, police, business, arts, academia, and all sectors of society. Education and medical care are available to everyone and freedom of religion is a government policy. Arabic is an official language along with Hebrew and the number of all religious minorities is increasing.
I agree that Apartheid exists. Islamo-supremacist Apartheid has been suppressing the religion and culture of Jews, Berbers, Christians, Kurds, and others across the Middle East and North Africa since the onset of Arab invasions and colonization.
Read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @ http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/
Today, Jordanian-Arabs of The Palestinian Authority demand that no Jewish communities be allowed wherever they hope to govern (aka, removal of “settlements”); and Egyptian-Arabs in Hamastan have ethnically cleansed Gaza of every ethnic Jew. It would appear that people demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews from these disputed territories envision one country (Israel) where Jews, Muslims and others may live as equals and another (Palestine) where Jews are verboten. If that isn’t Islamo-supremacist Apartheid, I don’t know what is.
Victims of Arab propaganda have proven Joseph Goebbels right- if lies are repeated often enough, then people will come to believe them.
Flag for moderationby Famagusta
Return Muslim-occupied Cyprus and the Hostage Ghost City of Famagusta (home of the desecrated St. Nicholas Cathedral)— then victimhood cultists can howl about the alleged “rights” of Muslim invaders to other lands (from the Phillipines to Morroco) from which apartheid Islamo-supremacists extirpated native populations through genocide.
VIDEO: Famagusta, The Hostage Ghost City of Europe @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfBJ7DimB8
Those interested in exploring the history of apartheid Islamo-supremacism in a more scholarly manner may read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/
St. Nicholas called— he’d like his cathedral back.
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by Anti-idiotarian
Sam slings lies and smears. Tiny Israel has the most advanced regional military for a reason— her Arab enemies have waged ceaseless jihads on her since her founding. The LIE that Arabs have only “stones” is absurd on its face. Arabs rain thousands of mortars and rockets annually on Israeli cities while conducting brutal terrorist attacks on her civilians. Pretending otherwise conflates the terrorist aggressors (jihadists) and their state-sponsors (OIC) with the peacekeepers (IDF) and their allies (America).
Don’t be a Hamas-hugger your whole life, Sam.
Flag for moderationby Israeli Apartheid like Slavery
Why NOT single out a very cruel occupation for divestment?
Apartheid South Africa was singled out, boycotted, and abolished. Good!
Israel is the last apartheid state, and it deserves the same.
Did you notice the 1,400 Gazans massacred by Israel a year ago?
Flag for moderationby Honest Reporting
As Dershowitz and many others have noted, there are many truly apartheid states in the Middle East. Israel is not among them.
Israeli citizens are white, black and everything in between; they include Arabs and Jews; Muslims, Christians, agnostics and atheists; they are Kurdish, Ethiopian, Russian, Polish, Iraqi, Yemenite and more. And every Israeli citizen can vote, participate in political life, and share beaches, bars and park benches.
As philosophy professor Bernard Harrison notes, “Israel is in fact, for better or worse, almost a textbook example of a multicultural society.”
And that truth by itself exposes claims about supposed “Israeli Apartheid” as laughable and a big lie.
Flag for moderationby The Buddha
Return occupied Constantinople and the sacred Hagia Sophia (Christendom’s 2nd most holy cathedral)— then victimhood cultists can howl about the alleged “rights” of Muslim invaders to other lands (from the Phillipines to Morroco) from which apartheid Islamo-supremacists extirpated native populations through genocide.
Those interested in exploring the history of apartheid Islamo-supremacism in a more scholarly manner may read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/
The Buddha called— he’d like his Bamiyan monuments back.
Flag for moderationby Tyler
Yeah! Screw the Jews! They killed Jesus!
Flag for moderationby Richard M. Berthold
What, does Dershowitz mointor campus newspapers aroung the country? Well, I guess the divestment movement is having some impact, since even at UNM it seems to have fired up the Israel First, America Second, To Hell with Facts, You Jew-Hater Coalition. How long before Americans understand that the state of Israel cares about absolutely nothing, including non-Israeli Jews, except its own (nonsensical) Biblical-based claim to all Palestine? Hell, they now control the largest KZ-Lager (concentration camp) in history: Gaza. But wadda ya gonna do? Congress, especially politicians like Joe Lieberman, Jane Harman and Ileana Ross-Lehtinen, would support the Third Israeli Reich even if they attacked the US, which they in fact have.
Flag for moderationby Slowhike
It’s a good thing that they Jew-Haters have the small little band of Paletinians in Gaza strip. Because Israel is entirely dwarfed by any of the Arab countries. Yes Israel is about as big as a knat on my ass compared to the surrounding Arab countries. Those big ol petrol rich countries have been such nice neighbors to Israel too. Helping them with population control and teaching them how to build their houses underground so the bombs tha Hamas tosses don’t kill anyone.
It appears that the Arab countries are thoroughly ashamed at how much more advanced teeny tiny Israel is ( and Israel doesn’t even have any oil, WTF!) than any of the surrounding Arab countries.
Plus you know if Richard Berthold (Mr. Comedian with all the friends at the Pentagon)is against Israel, heck it must be a good country.
Flag for moderationby Matt 23:24
@Berthold: Gaza inhabitants of Hamas are Egyptian-Arabs and are ethnically distinct from Jordanian-Arabs of Fatah. If every Israeli disappeared tomorrow (in Hamas’ wet dream), do wacademic Israel-bashers imagine those rival tribes wouldn’t return to slaughtering each other?
But while Jordanian-Arabs only aspire to render Judea (the so-called “West Bank”) completely Judenfrei, only the Islamo-fascists of Apartheid Gaza have rendered Gaza 100% Judenfrei— a fact unacknowledged by Leftist-fascists committed to destroying multi-cultural, democratic Israel.
There isn’t a single Jew remaining in Hamas-controlled Gaza. By what twisted logic does Israel “control” Gaza, professor?
Don’t be an ethnic-cleansing Hamas apologist your whole life, Berthold.
“Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.” [Matt 23:24]
Flag for moderationby Good St. Nick
Since the Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing of Greek Cyprus began in 1974:
at least 55 Greek churches have been converted into mosques
another 50 Greek churches and monasteries have been converted into stables, stores, hostels, museums, or have been demolished
the cemeteries of at least 25 Greek villages have been desecrated and destroyed
innumerable icons, religious artifacts and all kinds of archaeological treasures have been stolen and smuggled abroad
illegal excavations and smuggling of antiquities is openly taking place all the time with the involvement of the occupying forces
all Greek place names contrary to all historical and cultural reason were converted into Turkish ones.
Why doesn’t Professor of Classical History, Richard M. Berthold, howl about the cultural rape and occupation of northern Cyprus? Precisely antiquities have been pillaged; Greeks have been driven out of their homes; ancient churches have been converted into mosques; and the thriving resort of Famagusta transformed into a ghost town. Nobody cares. Instead, academia obsesses over the trumped-up plight of “Palestinians”— an invented nationality, committed to eradicating a sovereign state in the name of Islamo-supremacism.
VIDEO: Famagusta, The Hostage Ghost City of Europe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfBJ7DimB8
Flag for moderationby Anti-idiotarian
[Berthold sneered: “Biblical-based claim to all Palestine?”]
As a Professor of Classical History, Berthold clearly isn’t academically qualified to speak to Israel’s historic claims to their homeland. But (of course) they are not solely “Biblical-based” [sic] claims. Historical, cultural and archaological evidence all reinforce Israeli claims to their Jewish homeland.
But Berthold here is demonstrably ignorant of such things and should know better than to embarrass himself by bloviating publicly and proving it.
Flag for moderationby connor
@ MATT 23:24: how would you like to live in a prison? being outraged at the fact that there are no jews living in the gaza strip is like bitching that no non-criminals are allowed in prisons. the power in the gaza strip is routinely cut off, there is no way to leave unless you have a permit from the israeli government, running water is scarce and lack of food is often a problem. sound like some where you want to live?
People in gaza are there because they don’t have any other choice. and yes, the majority of hamas members are crazy fucks. but don’t forget that the majority of zionist settlers are also crazy fucks, and mostly american or canadian by birth. fact is that the zionists don’t want peace, and neither do hamas, fatah, hezbolah etc.
which brings up another point: most of the israelis killed by the palestinians are settlers. that means that they are occupying stolen land. and how are they killed? with rockets that more resemble hand grenades in explosive capacity. and the israeli response? drop bombs from f-16’s, and drive tanks into refugee camps. its a little asymmetric. this probably wouldn’t be a problem if the palestinians weren’t going to be a vast majority of the population within 20 years. what does that mean?
When the palestinians become majority population, israelis will have three choices: 1. dismantle the settlements, and come to a two state solution, 2. incorporate the palestinian population and risk ceding power to a palestinian government that won’t really give a shit about jewish interests, and may even act against the jewish residents of israel; or 3. become an apartheid state in which a minority jewish population will rule over a majority palestinian population.
As we have seen in the past, the jews are pretty unwilling to dismantle the settlements as the zionist faction holds sway in the knesset, that probably wont happen. after kicking the shit out of the palestinians for 50 years, the jews will be skeptical of handing a government over to the palestinians (as they should be). so, the likely outcome will be that israel will become another apartheid state. not surprising seeing as the israelis don’t treat palestinians that well now.
the interesting thing will be to see if you who are so blindly in favor of supporting one militant israeli faction (zionist settlers) will be so supportive of that state when it becomes the next south africa.
the link is to a story in ‘the guardian’ about settlement funding through charity organizations in the US, and the goals of those organizations. it may interest you, but feel free to not read it and simply argue ‘principles’ ‘feelings’ and ‘morals’.http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/dec/08/us-settlers-hebron-fund-israeli
Flag for moderationby Berthold cobweb for brains!
“would support the Third Israeli Reich even if they attacked the US, which they in fact have.” On top of his Pentagon comment that gave him his fifteen seconds of fame, his above comment seems to suggest that he agrees with the 9-11 Truthers that say Israel had advance knowledge of the attack and that is the reason Israeli’s didn’t show up to work that day.
If this isn’t it COBWEB FOR BRAINS, what are you talking about? I’m also surprised to see that COBWEB is reading the Lobo and probably has been posting here under some great name.
“Did you notice the 1,400 Gazans massacred by Israel a year ago?” How many did Egypt massacre or jail or leave to rot in the arms smuggling tunnels? How many Gazans were killed by their own? Did any of those Gazans pour gasoline on their fellow Gazans and set on fire to be burned alive and all in public?
Berthold, quit drinking your bong water!
Flag for moderationby Richard M. Berthold
None of the very thoughtful critics of my comments mention: 1)Israel controls all access by land, sea and air into Gaza – how is that not control, esp. when Israel is refusing to allow virtually anything into this devastated region? 2) The behavior of the Arab countries (of which I have a poor opinion) and Islam (of which I have a very poor opinion) has nothing to do with the behavior of Israel; 3)The Arab world is ZERO threat to Israel, which has not only the most powerful military in the entire region (so long as Sam keeps up the supplies) but also the only nuclear weapons – even is 1948 the OSS predicted the Jews would have no problem defeating the Arabs (I really don’t see what geographical size has to do with anything in 21st century combat); 4)(why don’t I complain about e.g. Cyrprus)Israeli actions are supported by my country and taxes; 5)since when does prior habitation entitle one to a state there a couple of millennia later? 5)(my ignorance of preclassical history) ISRAELI archaeologists are increasingly dubious of the extent of the territorial and historical claims found in the “history” recorded from Joshua to Chronicles and are even beginning to doubt the exodus – they must be self-loathing Jews. It is clear that there are many ignorant people at UNM, though I freely admit that even some very intelligent people can be utterly dopey when it comes to Israel. I suggest you all read some history, both ancient and contemporary. Damn, I forgot, an Israeli rabbi has just published a very popular book on Hebrew law, stating that it is legal and right for Jews to kill non-Jews, even women and children, if they are perceived as a threat. Guess my number is up.
Flag for moderationby Richard M. Berthold
Dispite my disgust for Israel I am not looney enough to connect the Israelis with 9/ll, though it certainly served their interests in the long run. During the 1967 war Israeli planes knowingly (some of the pilots have since admitted it) attack the USS Liberty, killing 34 US sailors, many in life rafts; US fighters in the Med were scrambled, but recalled by LBF, who did not want to embarrass Israel. And why am I bothering to argue with idiots, the most insulting of which does not even leave a name?
Flag for moderationby Israeli massacre of Gaza
The Israeli massacre of Gaza was enough.
Flag for moderationBoycott.
Divest.
by Anti-idiotarian
[Berthold confesses: “ignorance of preclassical history”]
Kindly exercise the academic discipline to cite your sources of “ISRAELI archaelogists” who “doubt the exodus”, professors. There is no way to scrutinize your specious claims (masquerading as evidence) without a modicum of rigor.
Even a professor of “classical history” should be capable of drawing distinctions (not blurring them) between archaelogical, cultural and historical evidence.
Berthold makes clear that there is at least one ignorant person at UNM. At least act like you’re part of an academic community, professor.
/dismissed
Flag for moderationby Anti-idiotarian
@connor: Today, Jordanian-Arabs of The Palestinian Authority demand that no Jewish communities be allowed wherever they hope to govern (aka, removal of “settlements”); and Egyptian-Arabs in Hamastan have ethnically cleansed Gaza of every ethnic Jew.
It would appear that people demanding the ethnic cleansing of Jews from these disputed territories envision one country (Israel) where Jews, Muslims and others may live as equals and another (Palestine) where Jews are verboten. If that isn’t Islamo-supremacist Apartheid, I don’t know what is.
Victims of Arab propaganda (like the perpetually THC-adled mind of connor here) have proven Joseph Goebbels right- if lies are repeated often enough, then people will come to believe them.
Flag for moderationby LaShaniqua
Divestment is failing all over. It failed at UC Berkeley. It failed at UC San Diego. And it was just tabled at Stanford by organizers who realized their movement just couldn’t handle another loss.
Why is divestment a failing movement? The best analysis I’ve read comes from a blog devoted entirely to BDS issues:
http://www.divestthis.com/
His best line, following teh divestment defeat at Berkeley:
“At Berkeley, after having made their presentations endlessly for weeks on end, after dozens of news stories, hundreds of blog entries, thousands of e-mails and millions of Tweets, they decided to demonstrate that the ASUC vote against their pet project was an example of – wait for it – them being “silenced” (illustrated by the BDSers covering their own mouths with tape and marching out of the room).
For the sake of sanity and harmony at Berkeley, let’s hope that tape remains on at least through the end of the semester.”
Flag for moderationby Is this what you want?
“We reject the U.N., reject America, reject all law and order. Don’t lobby Congress or protest because we don’t recognize Congress. The only relationship you should have with America is to topple it. . . . Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah.”
Muhammad Faheed, Muslim Students Association meeting, Queensborough Community College, 2003
Flag for moderationby Free Gaza from Hamas
Gaza is a lovely “prison” with 5 star hotels on 25 miles of mediteranean beaches, with European style restaurants and a full range of goods and services available.
My lonely planet guide to Gaza city mentions “Roots”, and describes it as an up-scale restaurant where important people dine on steak au poivre and chicken cordon bleu”
They have a website with a 14 page menu! They do pizza deliveries! They have banquet facilities for 500! They do themed birthday parties for children! Its clear that there is no “starvation’ in Gaza, and the people who claim there is are lying or are simply ignorant
http://www.rootsclub.ps/services.php the website of a restaurant/entertainment complex in gaza
http://www.rootsclub.ps/1/Menu-Roots/Menu-Roots/Default.html
the extensive menu
http://www.rootsclub.ps/services.php#roots-restaurant
Yeah, just like the “warsaw ghetto”
Flag for moderationby Sam Duro
My question is simple. Is there an Israel-oriented mutual fund I can invest my money in? When all is uncertain in life, bet on known winners. When they happen to be the good guys, all the better.
Flag for moderationby AMIDEX35
@Sam: The AMIDEX35 Israel Mutual Fund invests in the 35 largest Israeli companies traded on Wall Street or in Tel Aviv. The Fund allows investors exposure to Tel Aviv traded blue chip stocks and innovative Israeli technology stocks traded on NASDAQ, with one transaction in U.S. dollars.
Flag for moderationhttp://www.amidex.com/amidexfund.htm
by Invest in peace
i am also going to look into the Israel Mutual Fund! I know its a good investment- just last year (perhaps in response to the boycott?) exports from Israel INCREASED 33%.
There is a tremendous diversity of Israeli items available in America.
Sign up here for notification of ways to help!
http://www.buycottisrael.ca/form.php.
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http://www.buyisraelgoods.org
Flag for moderationby Post American
I’m not anti Semitic, I’m anti Parasitic. Zionist Israel is its own worst enemy.
Flag for moderationby Zionism is self determination
Why are you against the right of the Jewish people to self determination in their ancient homeland?
Flag for moderationby Post American
The Jewish homeland is not Palestine. The Jews are Khazars, and have no relationship with Palestine. However, they are related to the Palestinians. They are cousins. The island of Madagascar was the best place for the Jews to occupy. It might have kept them from corrupting other countries. The Jews have been kicked out of every country since the 12th. Century because of this hubris, arrogance, and corruption. You reap what you sow.
Flag for moderationby James
I am in the KKK. I agree with the author.
Flag for moderationby Rich
I wish to respond to comments made in the Daily Lobo by Donald Gluck, president of the Israel Alliance at UNM. Gluck thinks that protests aimed against Israel, such as movements for BDS, are inherently racist. He says: “What bothers us is it doesn’t seem like Israel behaves worse than other countries. . . If Israel behaves just as well as Somalia, or better than them, how come they come down on Israel? Because Jews are there.” If Mr. Gluck seriously believe that not behaving as badly as other human rights violators is the criteria that one should use to judge inhuman behavior then the world is clearly doomed. Such reasoning would exonerate Saddam Hussein of human rights violations simply because he was not as bad as Adolf Hitler. Rather than judging a country’s behavior toward the people affected by its policies on the basis of moral relativism, there would be far less suffering in the world if countries honored international laws that are meant to provide all people, regardless of race or religion, with the same rights to freedom and self-determination. Israel’s policies are intentionally designed to continually violate these basic international laws and conventions that protect these very rights. Protests against Israel are not meant to exonerate Somalia or any other country of human rights violations or of polices that are racist in intent. The reason Americans have been targeting Israel in particular, out of all the many human rights violators, is out of a sense of responsibility for the actions of their country. The United States plays a large role in enabling Israel to perpetuate its illegal occupation and oppressive policies toward the Palestinians. Additionally, there are powerful groups in the United States that exercise great influence over government in making sure that Israel is not held accountable, as are other countries, for its human rights violations. Further, more and more Jews are joining the BDS movement because they do not believe in racism, especially when it is perpetrated in their name as Jews. Therefore, they too feel a greater responsibility for actions carried out in their name that destroy the ability of an entire people to enjoy the same rights to freedom and self-determination as Israelis enjoy. Unlike Mr. Gluck, these Jews’ participation in the BDS movement is meant to restore integrity to Judaism and to the nation that claims its actions represent the Jewish people. There is nothing inherently racist in caring about another people as much as one cares about oneself. There is nothing racist in championing equality for all people. Such humanity is “selflessness.” Just so, ignoring the rights of another people and not taking responsibility for how one supports the subjugation and second-class citizenship of another people, simply because they are not Jewish, is inherently racist. As long as Mr. Gluck sees the world in terms of Us against Them he will continue to helplessly perpetuate inequality. If he would take a moment to honestly and objectively research the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict he would finally realize just how much suffering he has been contributing to. Then he would understand why a growing number of Americans and Jews are joining the BDS movement.
Flag for moderationby There is one Israeli left in Gaza
There isn’t a single Jew remaining in Hamas-controlled Gaza. By what twisted logic does Israel “control” Gaza, professor?
Well actually, there is one, Matt. His name is Gilad Shalit, and he’s been held for 3 years, depreived of his geneva convention rights, without even visitation from the International red cross
Re: Anti-Semitism in the BDS movement- sorry, folks- its rampant. At UC Berkeley, the heated divestment issue was so divisive, swastikas began appearing on campus. Two Jewish businesses ended up with rocks through their windows.
Flag for moderationRemember- not all anti-Zionists are anti-Semites. But all anti-Semites are anti-Zionist.
by slowhike
It’s terrible that Israel isn’t perfect like the rest of the countries. Heck that even goes for the USA, if this country were pefect what would the liberals complain about. Huh, I wonder. Well what the heck, neither Israel nor the USA is perfect and we’re just lucky to have such staunch liberals to reminds continually of this fact.
One significant difference between Liberals and Conservatives can be explained by using the analogy of having children. If you’re a parent you know that kids aren’t perfect and that they do the wrong thing sometimes. If you’re a good parent, you know that although it can be very exasperating when the kids do the wrong thing on a different level you understand that it’s the relationship you have that’s the priority. The quickest and surest way to being an ineffective parent is to forget that, and dote upon and point out all the transgressions, become critical and negative. Then you’re done.
Flag for moderationby connor
just out of curiosity, how do you figure that jews have a legitimate claim to palestine? ancient homeland? how do you think europeans would react if us americans were to get on boats, show up in london, kick the english inhabitant of that city into the suburbs and claim that england is our ‘ancient homeland’. i think they would be pretty pissed.
how would you feel if some apaches came through albuquerque in tanks and bulldozed your homes and claimed it was their right to do it, because new mexico is their ancestral homeland? how is that different from what the israelis did? it is different only in that our hypothetical apache ‘occupiers’ would not have the support of europe.
and to THERE IS ONE ISRAELI LEFT IN GAZA, by what twisted logic can you make the claim that israel doesn’t control gaza? it seems that every year or so there is some kind of military assault on gaza which is much more akin to a slaughter than a battle. and every month or so israel fires rockets from fighter planes into gaza and seals the crossings into israel. if thats not controlling, what is?
as for those who wish to invest in the israeli mutual fund, know that divestment measures specifically target caterpillar (which supplies bulldozers custom built to destroy palestinian homes) and GE (responsible for providing many other defense technologies mostly for the israeli air force) among others. why divest? because israel is spending us tax payer money on their defense systems. so, if you would like, you can think of US military aid to israel as back door subsidies to US defense contractors. free marketeers should be a little pissed off at this, as should all you small-government reaganites. further, egypt receives almost money in aid as israel. the US has bought a peace between israel and egypt with your tax dollars!!!
in this sense, divestment is a strong investment strategy because if the US is unable to continue subsidizing israeli security forces, the stock in defense contractors providing services to israel will take a hit. you gotta wonder: with the massive US budget deficits, how we will continue to pay these generous aid packages to the israelis and egyptians?
about the time we start running out of money for the egyptian-israeli peace, we will be running out of ways to finance the wars in iraq and afghanistan. the end of subsidies to israel and egypt, and an end to our own wars is going to place defense contractors in a bit of a bind, and stocks will tumble. so not only is the continued profiting off the conflict in israel morally abhorrent (which normally doesn’t bother me), it is also financially stupid.
Flag for moderationby slowhike
Connor WTF? Are you off your meds again buddy? Hey we are experiencing and suffering from centuries of Muslim aggression. Had the Muslims been as intelligent as Western Europeans we would all be eliminated due to their superior military. You would have no country to critisize and Israel might not exist.
Flag for moderationby Sam Duro
I asked about Israeli mutual funds, among other reasons, because of a short blurb in today’s Wall Street Journal that announced Israel’s acceptance into the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. It’s a 31-member group of countries basically defined as those that do well and have well-run economies. It was to Israel’s benefit to be one of only a few countries in 2009 to show any growth. Naturally the Palestinians worked (without bombs for a change) to block entry, but the unanimity of the decision shows how well that worked.
When it comes to investment, Israel appears to be not only the morally responsible choice, but the smart money choice as well.
Flag for moderationby Steven Dapra
To Richard Berthold:
You wrote, “an Israeli rabbi has just published a very popular book on Hebrew law, stating that it is legal and right for Jews to kill non-Jews, even women and children, if they are perceived as a threat.”
Please give author, title, and publisher. Thank you.
Flag for moderationby Smiley
Richard B, you’re better off not wasting your time with people who don’t even care what you write. I think letters submitted to the Lobo and the Journal will be more worth the time.
It funny that people who claim to love America spend so much effort pandering to foreign countries….
Oh, and Gluck…. the only interest he has in our campus is swaying the minds of students to whatever politics he has
Flag for moderationby Jewish claim to the land
1. There has been a continuous jewish presence in Israel for 3,500 years
2.Jewish people settled and developed the land;
3. the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people
Out of curiousity, what is the Palestinian claim to the land?
Flag for moderationby To connor
and to THERE IS ONE ISRAELI LEFT IN GAZA, by what twisted logic can you make the claim that israel doesn’t control gaza?
There is no military civilain or administrative Israeli presence in Gaza. Thats the definition of “occupation” under international law.
it seems that every year or so there is some kind of military assault on gazaAnd that would be in response to the relentless barrage of attacks on Israeli civilians well within the green line. Btw, since Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from gaza, attacks on southern israel have quadrupled. So much for jump starting the peace process.
which is much more akin to a slaughter than a battle.
Slaughter of course being “any battle the palestians lose”
and every month or so israel fires rockets from fighter planes into gaza and seals the crossings into israel.Firstly, thats not true. Secondly if firing rockets into someone elses territory is “contolling” the territory, doesn’t taht mean after firing 10,000 rockets into Southern Israel, Hamas controls Southern Israel?
Flag for moderationby The palestinians are recent immigrants
The Jews have been in this land for 3,500 years, before the palestinians had even been invented. Most of the palestinians are recent immigrants- in fact, if you look at common Palestinian surnames, it proves this quite clearly
al-Masri – the Egyptian
Flag for moderational-Mughrabi – the Moroccan
al-Djazair – the Algerian
al-Yamani – the Yemeni
al-Afghani – the Afghan
al-Turki – the Turk
al-Hindi – the Indian
al-Hourani – the Hauranite (from southern Syria)
al-Kurdi – the Kurd
by connor
@ SLOWHIKE: ‘had the muslims been as intelligent as the western europeans, we would all be eliminated…” First, i would like to point out the the empire built by muhammed and the caliphate was on par with that of the roman empire. you don’t build an empire that big by killing everyone you conquer. for the most part, life in cities that fell to muslim control remained largely unchanged. civil governments were left alone, but there was an additional layer of beurocracy added in the form of regional governors (just like the romans did), and cities paid tribute to the empire.
there was a point when christians, muslims, and jews all worshiped in the same buildings in jerusalem and baghdad. and of course, as baghdad has become the capital of the sciences (drawing scholars from all over the empire and beyond) the christians are killing off jews in the inquisition.
get your facts straight. islam was not radicalized until the last century. and as for ‘centuries of muslim aggression’ remember that you are talking about the time period from during which the europeans were at war constantly. talking about ‘muslim aggression’ and making the assertion that muslims aren’t as smart as europeans is ridiculous and i would say that your argument is based mostly in race bias and xenophobia.
remember slowhike, your ‘enlightened’ europeans are the same group who called galileo a heretic for claiming that the world was round and didn’t develop indoor plumbing until the 17th century. meanwhile, the first book stores on the planet had been open for a couple hundred years and algebra and geometry were being perfected and applied in new feats of engineering across the empire, and people were shitting in toilets.
Flag for moderationby The Buddha
@connor: Get your own facts straight. Begin by citing your source for that absurdly white-washed historical revisionism (masquerading as “facts”).
Muslims need to return occupied Constantinople and the sacred Hagia Sophia (Christendom’s 2nd most holy cathedral)— then victimhood cultists can howl about the alleged “rights” of Muslim invaders to other lands (from the Phillipines to Morroco) from which apartheid Islamo-supremacists extirpated native populations through genocide.
Those interested in exploring the history of apartheid Islamo-supremacism in a more scholarly manner may read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/
The Buddha called— he’d like his Bamiyan monuments back.
Flag for moderationby Legacy of Jihad in India
“Rarely understood, let alone acknowledged, however, is the history of brutal jihad conquest, Muslim colonization, and the imposition of dhimmitude shared by the Jews of historical Palestine, and the Hindus of the Indian subcontinent…”
Flag for moderationhttp://www.americanthinker.com/2005/07/the_legacy_of_jihad_in_india.html
by connor
@ JEWISH CLAIM TO THE LAND, PALESTINIANS ARE RECENT IMMIGRANTS: are the palestinians more recent immigrants than the bulk of the jewish-israeli population which showed up after 1950? the palestinian claim to the land is that they live there. and when people say the creation of israel was backed by the ‘international community’ what the really mean is that europe in the wake of WWII with all these jews in camps decided to finally give them israel and get them out of europe, or at least the concentration camps. the europeans didn’t really give a shit that there were people in palestine. they drank the zionist coolaid just like you all are. (zionist coolaid being the claim that the jews always lived in israel. it may just be me, but when you leave a place for a few thousand years, you aren’t guaranteed that it will still be yours when you comeback.) in fact, there were some jews in palestine, living peacefully with the palestinians before the state of israel was created.
i get it that the holocaust was terrible, but there is a time for that guilt-trip to end, and when the israelis begin committing war crimes, it might be time to start cutting ties.
Flag for moderationby Jeff
Dear Texans for Israel: Touche! The divestiture groupies need to put there money where their mouths are and quit taking prescription drugs manufactured by Teva Pharmaceuticals. Aren’t they an Israeli company producing the majority of all generic drugs in the world? So these groupies want to invest responsibly? Rather than selling off these company stocks, they should start buying up as much of the stocks as they can since the Israeli companies contribute so much to our society.
I won’t waste my time or energy debating the issue of ISraeli vs Palestinian humanitarian abuses other than to say this…
“Shame” – not on Israel (the only real democracy in the Middle East), but on those who arrogantly hold Israel to a standard of conduct to which no other nation in this world is held.
Half a million people are murdered in Rwanda. Silence.
The Chinese annihilate Tibetan culture. Silence.
Two million Christians and animists are killed in the Sudan. Silence.
Tens of thousands of civilians are killed in Chechnya. Silence.
Egypt imprisons the leading democracy advocate in the Arab world, after a phony trial, and not a single student group in America calls for divestiture from Egypt. Silence.
Syria occupies Lebanon for 25 years, chokes the life out of its democracy, and not a single student group calls for divestiture from Syria. Silence.
Saudi Arabia denies its women the most basic human rights, and bans any other religion from being practiced publicly on its soil, and not a single student group calls for divestiture from Saudi Arabia. Silence.
Iraq, whose Kurdish and Shi’ite populations have been gassed and poisoned (not by the American military) by that paragon of democratic leadership, Saddam Hussein. Silence.
Hippocracy at it’s worst?
Flag for moderationby What Really Happened
VIDEO: What Really Happened in the Middle East
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained.
The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars.
Flag for moderationhttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/The_Jewish_Claim_To_The_Land_Of_Israel.html
by palestinians are recent immigrants
The vast majority of “Palestinians” came following the prosperity that accompanied the Zionists. This is from Ziff, The Rape of Palestine, written in 1938
We should expect to find an exodus of Arabs from lands where Jews are settled. But exactly the opposite is true: it is precisely in the vicinity of those Jewish villages that Arab development is most marked. Arab Haifa, profiting from the Jewish boom grew from 1922 to 1936 by 130%, Jaffa by 80% and Jerusalem by 55%…In the vicinity of the Jewish villages Arab workers earn twice the wage paid in other parts of Palestine. “
Even UNWRA acknowledges this- to them a aplestinain is anyone who lived in this land from 1946 on- indigeneous or not, recent immigrant or not.
Flag for moderationby Sam Duro
“The Chinese annihilate Tibetan culture. Silence.”
I wasn’t aware that Free Tibet was not a popular topic among American intelligensia.
Flag for moderationby How Strong Is the Arab Claim to Palestine?
There is a myth hanging over all discussion of the Palestinian problem: the myth that this land was “Arab” land taken from its native inhabitants by invading Jews. Whatever may be the correct solution to the problems of the Middle East, let’s get a few things straight:
As a strictly legal matter, the Jews didn’t take Palestine from the Arabs; they took it from the British, who exercised sovereign authority in Palestine under a League of Nations mandate for thirty years prior to Israel’s declaration of independence in 1948. And the British don’t want it back.
If you consider the British illegitimate usurpers, fine. In that case, this territory is not Arab land but Turkish land, a province of the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years until the British wrested it from them during the Great War in 1917. And the Turks don’t want it back.
If you look back earlier in history than the Ottoman Turks, who took over Palestine over in 1517, you find it under the sovereignty of the yet another empire not indigenous to Palestine: the Mamluks, who were Turkish and Circassian slave-soldiers headquartered in Egypt. And the Mamluks don’t even exist any more, so they can’t want it back.
So, going back 800 years, there’s no particularly clear chain of title that makes Israel’s title to the land inferior to that of any of the previous owners. Who were, continuing backward:
The Mamluks, already mentioned, who in 1250 took Palestine over from:
Flag for moderationThe Ayyubi dynasty, the descendants of Saladin, the Kurdish Muslim leader who in 1187 took Jerusalem and most of Palestine from:
The European Christian Crusaders, who in 1099 conquered Palestine from:
The Seljuk Turks, who ruled Palestine in the name of:
The Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, which in 750 took over the sovereignty of the entire Near East from:
The Umayyad Caliphate of Damascus, which in 661 inherited control of the Islamic lands from:
The Arabs of Arabia, who in the first flush of Islamic expansion conquered Palestine in 638 from:
The Byzantines, who (nice people—perhaps it should go to them?) didn’t conquer the Levant, but, upon the division of the Roman Empire in 395, inherited Palestine from:
The Romans, who in 63 B.C. took it over from:
The last Jewish kingdom, which during the Maccabean rebellion from 168 to 140 B.C. won control of the land from:
The Hellenistic Greeks, who under Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. conquered the Near East from:
The Persian empire, which under Cyrus the Great in 639 B.C. freed Jerusalem and Judah from:
The Babylonian empire, which under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. took Jerusalem and Judah from:
The Jews, meaning the people of the Kingdom of Judah, who, in their earlier incarnation as the Israelites, seized the land in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. from:
The Canaanites, who had inhabited the land for thousands of years before they were dispossessed by the Israelites.
by Ed
Read this ya schmucks:
From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine
—Joan Peters
Tells you all you need to know about the issue. And though it has been called a hoax by the usual lefty tools, chumpsky, herr finkelstein and other self-hating delusional jews, it still stands virtually alone in its thesis, refuting a conventional wisdom that has been accepted by Jews, and Israelis, as well as others.
Flag for moderationby Mathlete
(This chronological history ends on a positive note in 1979, but the fighting has not ended by any means. The bloodshed and futility of war goes on and on.)
Flag for moderationby Miriam
Ed…your rude defense of a hasbara book that was discredited years ago by many more than Noam Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein. Joan Peter’s fable ‘From Time Immemorial’ was exposed also by Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath who described her book as “sheer forgery,” and that “[i]n Israel, at least, the book was almost universally dismissed as SHEER RUBBISH except maybe as a propaganda weapon” & M/E and Israeli historian Avi Shlaim who called it “completely preposterous and worthless”
Ed’s ignorance of anything beyond hasbara is pathetic but typical.
Now – my point…there is no way that anyone with conscience, informed by history and wellread and educated in both narratives would do less than absolutely endorse & support what the OCCUPIED Palestinians urge us to do.. -BDS/ BOYCOTT DIVEST and SANCTION where/whenever possible.
We must do no less than that which brought down South African Apartheid. Their
There was little space between Israel & Apartheid S.African govt. as they were allies & partners whilst Israel weaponized that criminal regime & aided S.Africa to have its own nuclear bomb in the 70sDeKlerks, Botha and Smuts didn’t attempt to repackage their brutality as “democracy” or whine that killing the oppressed was necessary to their ‘self defense”.
Bishop TUTU has been quoted stating that Palestinian occupation and apartheid is WORSE than his South African experience and thanks to global cooperation and unity that apartheid was ended.
Israel has had a hand in training nearly every brutal dictatorship’s para military forces in Latin America & elsewhere over the decades.
The Zionist implementation of brutal tactics gleaned during Brit Mandate period & meted out to Palestinians in the 20s 30s and 40s is routine there.
The world has learned that the zionist govt is no different from earlier brutal fascist predecessors who savaged their populations with similar impunity but eventually were prosecuted & brought down.
To stand in solidarity with Palestinians today is comparable to standing against Nazi fascists of the past. Orthodox pious chemist /scholar Israeli Dr.Yeshayahu Liebowitz called the IDF JudeoNazis after 1967 and returned his Israeli prize in 1991.
I am just one more Jew who has dug thru the historical records in order to deprogram my own lifetime of indoctrination and reject the lies & propaganda.
Flag for moderationI proudly stand with all who honestly examine the record and thus fully endorse and support BDS.
by Leah
“…there is no way that anyone with conscience, informed by history and wellread and educated in both narratives would do less than absolutely endorse & support what the OCCUPIED Palestinians urge us to do..
BDS/ BOYCOTT DIVEST and SANCTION where/whenever possible.”-MiriamYAY, Miriam, well put!!
And I, with my 10 other self-loving Jewish Friends, who each represent 10 more, and so on…are just many more Jews “who have dug thru the historical records in order to deprogram our own lifetime of indoctrination”—and like Miriam—we, too, “reject the lies & propaganda.” We also, “proudly stand with all who honestly examine the record and thus fully endorse and support BDS.”
Flag for moderation—Leah and 10 socially conscious Jewish men and women
by connor
Finally, a couple of people who can see that there is a lot more than the fundamentalist zionists on the israeli side, and fundamentalist militants on the palestinian side.
It is always a mistake to conflate the actions of the state with the intent of the population. All those who voted against Bush and/or Obama know this. Most people just want to live their lives in peace. Then there are some assholes (hamas and the zionists in this case) who feel that they need more than that. They feel that they are different and that by divine mandate, they must triumph over their enemies never accepting a portion but killing and dying for the whole thing (in this case the state of israel/palestine).
The sooner people start realizing that the religious fundamentalists (be it christian, jewish, muslim, hindu etc) are the one causing the divide between people, the sooner we can start working on a common solution.
Flag for moderationby Anti-idiotarian
wow… connor cross-dresses as “miriam” and “leah”.
connor needs to find a better way to hide that cute little adam’s apple under that veil. maybe a burka?
/pathetic
Flag for moderationby Ganesha akbar!
Netanyahu: ‘We will continue to build’ in Jerusalem
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/05/12/2394768/bibi-on-jerusalem-day-we-have-unbreakable-bond
Israel will continue to build in Jerusalem, Benjamin Netanyahu said during the state ceremony marking Jerusalem Day.
“We will continue to build and be built in Jerusalem,” the prime minister said Wednesday during the ceremony on Ammunition Hill. “We will continue to develop, plan and create in Jerusalem. We cannot develop in a divided city.”
Jerusalem Day marks the date on the Hebrew calendar that Israeli forces captured eastern Jerusalem during the 1967 Six-Day War, thus reuniting the city.
Flag for moderationby slowhike
connor you’ve come up with another almost sane post, thank you. Now apply it to the socialist money grubbing crooked community organizing White House administration in the USA.
Flag for moderationby Sorry miriam, sorry connor
Sorry Miriam- From Time immemorial is used in many colleges and universities, and has only been “discredited” by the anti-Israel crowd. Joan Peters started out to write a pro-Palestinian tome, but as she got access to more and more information, her writing changed. She had no idea, for example- that 850,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab lands.
yeah, its kind of funny that Comnnor picked the two most jewish names he could for his little forgery
Flag for moderationby Ed
con-ner: you sorry-assed little butt monkey. Go peddle your self-delusional drivel elsewhere. No one believes you.
Flag for moderationby kufar
Small detail here. Miriam and Leah are actual people, not figments of Connor’s imagination. I think he performs for them and they give him cookies or something. However those three, Rich and the 7 others Leah mentioned all share the same delusion about Israel and Arabs. Normal, healthy behavior is to be loyal to your own group. That doesn’t mean you are against other groups or aggressive, but you defend your own people. However, Leah, Miriam, Rich, Lori, et al feel superior to be against their own people and to side with enemies. Of course it feels really good to feel superior, almost orgasmic. It’s some kind of pathology. They can’t help themselves.
Flag for moderationby connor
@ SLOWHIKE: the implication that the obama administration doesn’t represent the majority of the population of the US was implicit in that last point. That being said, the Bush administration represented an even smaller percentage of the overall population. its been a while since the American population was well represented in the executive branch, or the legislative, or the judicial. It is typical for governments the world over to over-represent one minority group at the expense of everyone else, and thats exactly whats happening in israel (and yes, in the US too). A small group of zionist settlers, and conservative hard-liners have taken over israeli policy making from the majority of israelis who want to see peace through a two state solution, or in one integrated state.
once again, fundamentalist religious zealots fuck things up, and the US and its citizens decide to back them because they have a large amount of political power in israel, and a lot of political capital in the US. way to go supporting what, in any state but israel, would be called apartheid and fascism.
and to those who accuse me of posting under the names ‘Miriam’ and ‘Leah’ get a fucking clue. there are jewish people (many of them in israel) who oppose the israeli government. also, I am far too arrogant to post under assumed names. if i have something to say, it will be posted under the name ‘connor’.
Flag for moderationby Jeff
Of course Netanyahu says Israel will continue to build housing in Jeruselum. No different than the mayor of Washington D.C. saying they are building housing in DC. They are both capitals of legitimate nations and they have the right to build there. And please, don’t fool yourselves with these silly notions that Jeruselum is an islamic land. The word Jeruselum is never even mentioned in the Koran and Muhammed never set foor there.
Flag for moderationby Own it
connor has the audacity to climb up on his hind legs and howl about (alleged) Israeli “fascism” after his Leftist co-conspirators spent the last decade goose-stepping at kristallnaght-style gutter riots (masquerading as “peace” protests).
Patriotic Americans are encourage to Enter the “Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame” and remember what “fascism” looks like.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/
So, when is billionaire progressive George Soros financing the unhinged Leftist rent-a-mob rally against ObaMao’s summary execution of three (un-Mirandized) Somali teens at sea? Afterall, that tactic was clearly more “fascist” than our patriotic moistening of KSM, et.al. The one year anniversary of ObaMao’s high seas shooting spree has already passed. Get busy, connor.
Rage against the machine, man!
Flag for moderationby connor
“Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war — as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years — I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.”
that would be none other than peacenik hack Dwight Eisenhower. im sure that by todays standards the dude who led american troops to victory over hitler in WWII would be considered an ‘apologist’ or ‘weak’, but i think his point is that as long as people ‘negotiate’ with bombs, no progress will be made.
Flag for moderationby Ganesha akbar
Is connor now suggesting that the belligerant Islamo-fascists of Hamas and Hezbollah have any “decent purpose” toward Israelis?
Ike’s speech addressed Cold War diplomacy with the Soviets— not a policy for managing hostility from fascist belligerants. FDR didn’t offer Ike allied command to “negotiate” with the Axis toward disarmament. And Truman made amazing “progress” with the Shinto-fascists only AFTER Hiroshima.
Naturally, connor’s silly analogy has ZERO relevance to the existential threats posed by genocidal Islamo-supremacists like Hamas and Hezbollah.
Don’t be an apologist for apartheid Islamo-supremacism your whole life, connor.
Flag for moderationby Yamin Salahi
Its really an easy question. If the Israel Haters had truth, facts, history,logic and morality on their side of the issue, then they wouldn’t feel compelled to tell lies about Israel and the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Thats why its called “Jewish history” versus the “Palestinian narrative.” The “Palestinian narrative” is a collection of popular myths, fabrications, prevarications and well honed propaganda. It is amazing to me that there are supposedly educated people that prefer thoughtlessly to believe in that collections of tall tales than the truth.
Flag for moderationby KEM
C’mon guys…Israel will never go away for one reason and one reason only, it has the USA’s support. Without the USA, Israel would be blown off the face of the earth. Irsael was a horrible idea in the first place, and the USA needs to a better job of stopping the conflict at hand. It needs to be more than a listless “Stop…no more new settlements…no…shooting Palestinians is bad…stop.” The USA need to grow a pair and spank Israel like the spoiled child it is.
Flag for moderationby KEM
@ Yamin Salahi
How can you say that people that support the Palestinians don’t have morality on their side? Is supporting the victim immoral now? And how is Palistinian history full of popular myths?
Flag for moderationby Moses
Yeah Guys from the Caves, be specific—lets hear it piece by piece—details please!
Flag for moderationby connor
@ GANESHA: the reason eisenhower says: “together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose.” is that it is anti-inflammatory. notice he didn’t say ‘we noble americans and those crazy, godless ruski bastards…’. he said WE. he took responsibility for some of the missteps in american cold war policy, and left the door open to the russians to come back to the table and settle their differences in a civilized manner. further, do you believe that the ‘judeo-fascists’ (settlers and zionists aided by the IDF) have ‘decent purpose’ for the palestinians?
there is enough blame to go around in this conflict, but as long as people and institutions continue pointing fingers and holding holding palestinians and israelis to different standards there can never be peace. just because someone is wearing a uniform does not excuse their actions. flag or no flag, uniform or no uniform, suicide vest or fighter plane, killing is killing. what’s so hard to understand about that?
Flag for moderationby mm, mm, mmm
[connor whined: “suicide vest or fighter plane, killing is killing”]
That infantile moral calculus is intellectual bankruptcy of a very high order. There is no basis for discussion with those who blur distinctions between legitimate combatants (soldiers), illegitimate beligerants (terrorists) and non-combatants (civilians).
That is the same Leftist mental torpor that routinely smears American soldiers as killers of innocent Iraqis. It is undistilled terrorist propaganda you’re spitting there, connor.
Evidence? Behold! The Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame;
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/
Leftists who vilify brave American and IDF soldiers (as “killers” of innocents) are merely following odious poseurs like John “F*ing” Kerry.
These hate-America Leftists must be in meltdown mode over the total acquittal of our brave SEAL team members accused of roughing up Michael Moore’s Minuteman. What a bunch of low-life terrorist-huggers you all are.
sick, sick, sick
Flag for moderationby Anti-jihadist
[YEM whined: “Is supporting the victim immoral now?”]
Supporting Israel IS supporting the victims… of apartheid Islamo-fascism. Conversely, supporting mass-murdering terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah IS immoral.
Those who (allegedly) “support” Palestinians (by supporting the Apartheid Islamo-supremacists of Hamas and Fatah) are facilitating the persecution of innocent Gaza victims. The systematic persecution of Christian Arabs living in (so-called) “Palestinian” areas is being met with near total silence by the international community, human rights activists, the media and NGOs.
Palestinian Christian activist stabbed to death in Gaza http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/910184.html
Expert: ‘Christian groups in PA to disappear’ http://www.israelcatholic.com/content/view/76/92/lang,en/
Christian population dwindles in Muslim Middle East, thrives in Israel http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1672
Palestinian Muslims desecrate Christian graves http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/05/palestinian-muslims-desecrate-christian-graves.html
The evidence clearly demonstrates that jihadists persecute “the Sunday people” just as they do “the Saturday people.” Apartheid Hamas-apologists need to take some ownership of the consequences of their hate-mongering agenda.
Flag for moderationby KEM
@ Anti-jihadist:
I have noticed a theme with your arguement…“Christian”. Your examples are probably valid, I don’t bother with pasted URLs, but sadly, it doesn’t really have anything to do with what I said.
Flag for moderationThe overriding majority of Palestinians are peaceful, loving people that are just trying to live. They don’t give a crap what religion you are, they just don’t want to have their land taken away from them and M-16s pointed at their family when they throw rocks.
And, the problem isn’t the Israeli people either, it’s their irresponsible government mandanting the murder of innocents in the hope of conquest.
But honestly, I don’t expect the USA to do the right thing in this case. I mean, it seems as though we are content with mass murder of Palestinians. Just as long as Christians are in control of this country, NOTHING will change in Palestine. Afterall, it is in the Christians interest to keep the Jews in control of Jerusalem.
We have already chosen, the genocide of an entire culture to preserve that selfish earning of an event this will never happen.
by connor
@ ANTI-JIHADIST: so idiotarian posts under at least 3 titles? thats cool, im sure its hard finding people who agree with you in real life. the israelis are the mass murders in israel, or can’t you interoperate basic statistics? in the last invasion of gaza, 1300 palestinians were killed. 13 israelis died, and 4 of those from friendly fire. thats not a battle, thats a massacre. this is asymmetric killing repeated all through out the israeli conflict. not many israelis are killed by the rockets fired by hamas and hezbolah, but a hell of a lot of palestinians are killed when israel ‘retaliates’. also, in case you haven’t checked, in the iraq war, over 90% of the people killed have been non-combatants. most of the people injured have been non-combatants, most of the people displaced have been non-combatants.
you’re so deluded, IDIOT. you were probably one of those people who believed in the pin-point accuracy of smart bombs when you watched the first gulf war on television, or were you old enough to remember that? military precision was a joke in 1991, just like its a joke in 2010.
lastly, in what world is israel the victim? im sure that this fictitious realm it rains cupcakes,and you have friends and are not routinely held up to ridicule for your stupidity, IDIOT (or what ever other name you are posting under these days)
Flag for moderationby Own it
[YEM lied: “The overriding majority of Palestinians are peaceful, loving people that are just trying to live.”]
That explains why (when given the chance to vote) “the overriding majority of Palestinians”… elected the sharia law rule of Apartheid Islamo-fascist Hamas.
FLASHBACK: Peaceful, loving people celebrate 9/11
Flag for moderationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k
by connorhea
connor isn’t anti-war… she’s just for the other side.
Flag for moderationby Own it
The only point provided by connor’s vicious attacks on American soldiers is a view of the sick mindset of today’s hate-America Leftists. Not that folks need to read the amateurish f*bomb-and-spittle commentary of connor here for that insight.
Recall, Leftist-fascists of her potty-mouthed ilk spent the last decade on CNN committing acts of criminal mayhem during their kristalnaght-style, anti-Semitic gutter riots (masquerading as “peace” protests) to achieve their hate-America political agenda.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame
And now they have the temerity to climb up on their hindlegs and blame brave American soldiers for innocent Iraqi deaths? Own the pro-Saddam fascist rage, Leftists.
Flag for moderationhttp://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/
by Peacekeeper
Obama wants $205 million for Israel rocket shield
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8681919.stm
Barack Obama is to ask the US Congress for an extra $200m in military aid to help Israel get a short-range rocket defence system in place.
The system is designed to shoot down mortars and rockets from Gaza or Southern Lebanon with guided missiles.
The system, called Iron Dome, has gone through testing and installation will start later this year… A White House spokesman reaffirmed what he called the administration’s “unshakeable commitment” to Israel’s security – adding that Mr Obama recognised the threat posed by missiles and rockets fired by Hamas and Hezbollah.
Flag for moderationby KEM
@ Anti-jihadist, Own it, connorhea, or any other immature or stupid name you call yourself:
Yes, there was dancing in the street in Palestine due to 9/11. What you don’t seem to understand is that there are violent bigots everywhere, like you for example, and making sweeping generalizations about an entire culture is…ah, nearsighted.
They voted in Hamas because that was the only group from what they saw that could somewhat protect them from Israeli attacks. No, it wasn’t a good idea, yes, Hamas is unstable and violent. But just look at our own election, we very near elected a crazy country hick with a severe lack of brainpower and an old man that can back damaged in mind and body from Vietnam.
I will also note that you did not touch on anything else I mentioned in my retort…interesting to say the least.
Flag for moderationby connor
@ KEM: so there is one guy who posts as ‘anti-idiotarian’, ‘connorhea’, ‘own it’ ‘ganesha akbar’ ‘anti-jihadist’ and ‘mm,mm’ and probably others. it is one small-minded, hateful individual and there is no point arguing with him. im tired of bashing the same dude who can’t come up with a decent insult, let alone a sane point on this issue. im done, but its nice to see that there are a couple people who can see this situation for what it is. cheers, look forward to reading your comments on other boards.
Flag for moderationby Own it
[KEM spat: “there are violent bigots everywhere, like you for example”]
Repeating that lie doesn’t make it true. Show me your evidence.
My cited EVIDENCE demonstrates Leftist-fascist bigotry in support of Apartheid Islamo-supremacism.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame
Now, KEM here may be the very soul of moderation. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for folks to ask for more from (allegedly) “peaceful” Hamas apologists than disingenuous whitewashing of uncomfortable elements of Islamic sharia tradition, as practiced in Gaza, Judea, Kashmir, Malaysia, the Paris banlieue and elsewhere around the globe.
A genuine tiny minority of anti-jihadist Muslims may be found @
http://secularislam.org/blog/post/SI_Blog/21/The-St-Petersburg-Declaration
Americans remain breathless in anticipation of the vast majority of (allegedly) “peaceful” Palestinian Muslims supporting this genuinely tiny minority of their co-religionists… but don’t hold your breath.
Flag for moderationby "Tiny Minority" Lies
Support for Suicide Bombings and Bin Laden Still High Among Muslims
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53865
A new survey gauging Muslim attitudes indicates that backing for suicide bombings against civilians, while generally down from earlier years, remains significant in some Islamic countries – challenging the assertion that Muslims supporting terrorism constitute a “tiny minority.”
In the Pew Global Attitudes Project poll released on Thursday, 68 percent of Palestinian Muslim respondents said suicide bombings against civilians were justifiable “to defend Islam from its enemies.”
Flag for moderationby Hippies Smell
@connor: I accept your f*bomb spittle and “I’m done” surrender as evidence of difficulty thinking and problem solving. Jesus still loves you.
Grade: F (miserable failure)
/dismissed
Flag for moderationby Own it
[KEM admits: “Yes, there was dancing in the street in Palestine due to 9/11.”]
And 15000 Deadly Islamo-fascist attacks since 9/11 don’t lie.
Flag for moderationhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
by Ed
Ya gotta really get a kick out of losers still lamenting the fact that the Israelis kicked the palis ass during Cast Lead—it ain’t their fault the palis can’t shoot straight and get all flustered and use human shields and shoot each other, etc, etc . . .
Just a bit of info to those of you out there who haven’t heard or read “United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror” —Jamie Glazov. If you really want to understand how so-called jewish lefties and other assorted losers can actually support the tangos, read it.
Flag for moderationby Yamin Salahi
“Palestine” was originally a name of punishment, inflicted on Judea by the Romans. For centuries thereafter, “Paletine” was a term used to refer to a roughly defined geographical region, sort of like “The Mid-West”. After many, many conquering empires,wars, famines, plagues, earthquakes and locust, followed by three hundred years of Ottoman Turkish mis-mangement, the area became significantly de-populated. The Ottoman Turks re-settled peoples from other parts of their empiren for taxation i.e. Ceasarea was re-founded by the Turks with colonies of Bosnian Muslims in 1882. In response to the agricultural revolution that early Zionism sparked, many, many migrant Arab laborers MOVED IN to pre-state Israel. When UNRWA defined Palestinian “refugee” in 1948, they only required two years of residency for that exact reason. The names are revealing i.e.“Al-Masri”=“from Egypt, “Al-Hourani”=“from Syria” etc. So Myth #1-“Palestinians are ‘the indigeneous people of Israel.” Actually, rather than an ethnic or tribal name, “Palestinian” is really an Arab political sub-designation, assigned only in 1964 by the Arab League and Nasser in counter-point to “Jordanian” nor “Israeli-Arab”. Thats why theres no such thing as “Ancient Palestinian history”, as prior to 1964, no Arabic speaker would have identified themselves as “Palestinian”. Then theres the myth that the “Palestinians were expelled by the Israelis” rather than the truth which involved the combined armies of five Arab natios invading the newly declared state of Israel and the vast majority of “refugees” have been documented as having fled without ever having seen an Israeli soldier out of fear that the bloody fate that their leaders had promised for the Jews, would instead befall them. Theres lots of other myths told by and about Palestinans as well but precious little truth.
Flag for moderationby God
To Connor and all the other lefty commy, socialist, fascist hippie peace lovers that have written in favor of human rights for ALL people-
God is with you.
Take advice from this San Franciscan ‘Perverted Pelosiville’ journalist, a depraved organic anal terrorist sex coffee addict:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/09/25/notes092509.DTL
“The absolute best way to speak to complete idiots is, of course, not to speak to them at all.”
I love you all—even the idiot anonymous ones here—it’s my job after all.
Flag for moderationGod
by Great Bash a Jew Week!
Good job Andrew! Good luck with your sad pathetic beginning of life on your own! I can’t wait to read your bullshit at Alibi! They love Bash the Jews!
Flag for moderationby YAF
David Horowitz gave a talk at UC San Diego to counter the Muslim Students Association’s Israeli Apartheid Week. He was literally giving his speech at the same time as notorious anti-Semite Norman Finkelstein.
During the Question and Answer period Horowitz had a chilling exchange with a member of the MSA in which he prodded her to reveal the depraved depths of her Jew-hatred. What’s shocking is not so much that she holds such views, but rather that she was willing to admit it.
VIDEO: UCSD Islamo-Fascists Unveiled
Flag for moderationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE&feature=player_embedded
by slowhike
YAF, I agree with you YAF, that video is scary. But what’s even more scary than the fact that the lady in terrorist garb was willing to admit that she agreed that the Jewish people should all be rounded up and disposed of; is the fact that people can get away with that in the USA. It’s disgraceful, and shameful, it is a very sad and scary commentary on our society.
Flag for moderationby G
Israel Demands Europe Stop Citizens From Gaza Aid Trip
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-to-europe-stop-your-citizens-from-sailing-to-gaza-with-aid-1.290831?localLinksEnabled=false
Comment: Only the Israeli government would have the chutzpah to demand that foreign nationals stop “plotting” to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza!
Creating martyrs out of any of these people is going focus the world’s attention on the siege of Gaza and the horrendous quality of life for Gazan Palestinians.
Flag for moderationby Carl in Jerusalem
World couldn’t care less as ‘Palestinian’ homes destroyed
The World reacted with fury on Sunday as bulldozers destroyed some 30 illegally built homes in the ‘Palestinian’ town of Rafah with more to follow (Hat Tip: Instapundit).
“They promised reform and change – instead they’ve destroyed our homes,” shouted Miasar Gan, a 54-year-old woman. Gan said she and her husband had nowhere else to go.
“I found my mattress, and that’s where I’ll be sitting,” she said, standing next to the concrete chunks – all that was left of her house.
Her neighbor, Nazira Abu Jara, 56, said policewomen … beat her with clubs until she fled her house with her husband and two children. “Neighbors help us get by with charity. We can’t afford to build again,” Abu Jara said.
Others picked through rubble to retrieve dusty clothing and mangled furniture.
Residents said between 30 and 40 homes were torn down, ranging from concrete structures to tin shacks. They did not know how many people were affected.
Oh wait. You mean, the World wasn’t outraged? In fact, the World couldn’t care less? Why is that? Because these homes were destroyed by Hamas and not by Israel. When Israel enforces its laws, the World is outraged. When Hamas enforces its laws, the World could care less. That sounds like a double standard to me. And a double standard when it comes to Israel is often a sign of anti-Semitism.
Flag for moderationby G
To win the title of Miss USA, Rima Fakih paraded across a Las Vegas stage in a nearly microscopic bikini. She skirted disaster when she almost tripped in her glittery white evening gown. Finally, she told the judges that health insurance should cover birth control pills.
Fakih, a 24-year-old Arab-American whose family hails from Lebanon, has almost nothing in common with the religious zealots who inspire militant Islam. Yet the tiara had scarcely come to rest on her cascading dark tresses Sunday night when the far reaches of the right wing blogosphere went ballistic.
Comment: I’m really glad that Fakih won. I’ve spent alot of time in Israel, and alot of time in Muslim countries as well. Hands down, the forbidden fruit in the Arab countries are far more “interesting”.
Flag for moderationby Anti-idiotarian
@YAF: A thought experiment: If a student funded group publicly called for the extermination of gays and blacks (instead of Jews as they did at UCSD), do you think academia would permit them to continue their student funded activities?
To ask the question is to anwer it.
Flag for moderationby Lobo007
Thinking caps on:
There has been CONTINUOUS Jewish presence in the land of the Jews since Biblical times. The surge of Jews RETURNING to the land of Israel took off so that by 1880 the majority of citizens in Jerusalem were Jews.
Between 1880-1948 waves of Jewish return to the land occured, bringing industry, jobs and an economy. During this time the British started to implement the “white papers” whereby Jewish immigration was severely limited- even during the Holocaust when 6 million Jews were hunted down wherever nazis were. There was zero limits on Arab immigration into the land. Attracted by the Jews’ bringing industry and economy and agriculture to the land Arabs migrated by land from surrounding areas in modern day Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq, etc. It is a ridiculous myth that the majority of Arabs have been in the land since time immemorial. Lets get that clear.Finally the Arabs already have a “Palestine” state- it is land that is 78% of the Palestine mandate (while Israel is only 22%), it currently has a majority population who are “Palestinians” (from west of the Jordan river).
Flag for moderationProblem solved, now, to get non native British import’ Hussein family out of power, and grant power to the so called “Palestinians”. (Arabs) That is the best solution being touted right now; An 8 mile wide Israel is a non starter.
by Lobo007
57 Muslim countries, 22 Arab countries, 1 massive chinese country,….greeks, italians, mexicans, everyone can bhave some nationalism, but to the one people that is most identified as being stateless and homeless and persecuted for 2,000 years, those people cant have nationalism.
That’s what this is about folks. Arab nationalism versus Jewish nationalism (ZION ism).
Islamsts cant deal with having minority status, it is a mindset, a philosophy founded in domination of the other, going as far back as it’s roots with Mohamed himself. Thus for the Jews to have dominion in their ancestral homeland, tho they be in land that is 1000x SMALLER than Arab land, that is simply not kosher. Hence the situation we have today, hence why there were no “palestinians” when Arab brother countries Jordan & Egypt occupied Judea (“west bank”) and Aza (Gaza Strip). Its not about land, its about the principle for Islamists. Is there any reasoning with such a mindset? Rhetorical question.
Flag for moderationby Muslim Center near Twin Towers?
Many Muslim countries will foot the bill for this slap in the face P.C. tolerant terrorist center!
The leader of the mosque is said to say that we deserved 9-11 but is now saying that he spoke up against extremists using Islam but those quotes are non-existent in his rants requesting the city of New York to allow the construction which was approved. This leader is a liar and a fake!
Such a high-ranking leader would have been on every news program allowing him to criticize those extremists but only “we deserved it” ranks can be found!
Their argument was that WE need to be tolerant of others feelings but they were intolerant of the feeling of a majority of Americans who think it is a slap in the face to have a gigantic mosque 600 feet from ruins of the Twin Towers. To me that’s a stab in Lady Liberty’s back! They’ll use their freedom of speech and freedom of assembly to plot more “we deserved it” tolerance!
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