http://dailylobo.com Editor, As a Religious Studies major who happens to be Muslim, I recently signed up for classes related to my religion of choice: Islam. en-us Gryphon 2.2.2-dsw (woodward)/Foundry5 Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:06:56 -0700 web@dailylobo.com http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1986 Yeah there are lot of jobs in medical transcription find your school to get a degree in few months at http://bit.ly/5V4v8 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:05:03 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1986 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1989 Is this the “Muhajir Salam” newspaper or UNM Daily Lobo that took a poll on FOX NEWS AND THEIR BIASED??? WHO WAS THE OTHER WRITER FROM THE PAST THREE YEARS THAT HAD A WEEKLY LETTER PRINTED AND ALL AGAINST EVERY U.S. INTEREST? WHERE IS THE PROOF SALAM? DID YOU RECORD THE PROFESSORS WHICH SURELY WOULD HAVE BEEN REPORTED ON FOX AND I’M SURE YOU WOULD HAVE MADE THE MEDIA CIRCUS MERRY-GO-ROUND? WHICH PROFESSORS TAUGHT THIS AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER STUDENTS TO VERIFY? PROVE YOU WERE IN THE CLASS BY TELLING US YOUR GRADE AND DID THE PROFESSOR LOWER YOUR GRADE? I DON’T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU! PROVE IT! NAME THE PROFESSORS! Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:25:46 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1989 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1990 Many of my letters haven’t been printed due to “unverifiable,” “too controversial,” “off topic,” “issue passed,” ETC… and there are students who never get theirs printed. HOW MANY HAS SALAM HAD THIS SEMESTER? DID THE LOBO EDITOR VERIFY THAT PROFESSORS ARE STATING OPINIONS THAT COULD BE SEEN AS A BIASED AND MAKES STUDENTS FEEL UNEASY? IF THE EDITOR DID, WILL THEY INVESTIGATE OTHER PROFESSORS WHO SPEAK OF POLITICS IN A MATH CLASS? USUALLY PROFESSORS ARE LEFTISTS/MARXISTS/COMMUNISTS AND USE THEIR CLASSROOM FOR ANTI-BUSH/AMERICA/HATE AMERICA/LOVE CHE AND FIDEL DIATRIBES BUT WE HAVE SOME WHO LIKE THE “WAR ON TERROR” AND SLAM ISLAM? %$&))&&$*^(#&() OOPS I JUST FAINTED! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT UNM, AND ALMOST EVERY UNIVERSITY, IS ALMOST 100% TAKEN OVER BY LEFTISTS WHO OPENLY REVEAL THEIR POLITICAL OPINIONS AND WHO LOWER GRADES OF THOSE “CHRISTIANS” “NEOCONS” “REPUBLICANS” AND “OBAMA HATERS!” SO, TO ALL NON-LEFTIST STUDENTS: RECORD YOUR PROFESSOR AND THEN WRITE A LETTER TO THE EDITOR AND SEE IF IT GETS PRINTED. THEY SHOULD BE WRITING A FRONTPAGE ARTICLE ON IT BUT HELL WILL FREEZE OVER BEFORE THAT HAPPENS! Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:42:39 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1990 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1991 What do Madrassas teach? Many teach anti-American hatred and to “kill infidels” and they are free to live here in America? It seems like they would move to a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia where women who are raped are stoned and hung while the rapists go free. Now we have an article and poll today on a Saudi couple who just spoke of sex and they are getting up to 1000 lashes and imprisoned! WHAT RELIGION ALLOWS THAT? HOW DOES SALAM TREAT HIS WOMEN OR IS HE PLANNING TO SEE 72 VIRGINS? WHAT RELIGION USES HONOR KILLINGS? DOES SALAM BELIEVE IN HONOR KILLINGS TOO? DID THEY TEACH THAT IN HIS ISLAM CLASSES? DID THEY TEACH ISLAM’S USE OF VAGINA MUTILATION WHERE WOMEN’S CLITORIS’S ARE CUT OFF SO THEY HAVE NO PLEASURE DURING SEX? IF A PROFESSOR DID TEACH THAT, IS THAT A LIE OR PROPAGANDA? I SUGGEST SALAM DROP HIS CLASS AND LEARN “THE PEACEFUL ISLAM” FROM A MADRASSA!!! Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:00:00 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1991 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1992 Which classes? Which departments? Which instructors? I’m looking for good classes on Islam, and the one I’ve had so far gave rather short (nonexistent) attention to the violent and oppressive nature of Islam, though it was otherwise informative and enjoyable. There were, however, more than a few Muslim students in that class who still didn’t like hearing anything other than strictly orthodox interpretations on Muhammad and early Islam and weren’t shy about saying so during the small group discussions. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:30:53 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1992 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1993 We are entering an all-spin zone, a wild, weird and spooky season and I am not talking about Halloween. With a few exceptions, the mainstream media continue to kill stories about honor killings and attempted honor killings in North America. How often did you read stories about the honor killings that took place in Toronto (07), Dallas (08), Atlanta (08), Oak Forest, Illinois (08), Alexandria (08), Buffalo (09), and Kingston, Canada (09)—on and on, until the most recent attempted honor killing in Phoenix? There are two killers still on the loose: Yaser Said, the Dallas monster out of Egypt who abused, stalked, and murdered his two daughters with the help of his wife, their mother, and his son, their brother. Iraqi-born Faleh Hassan Almaleki is another foul killer on the lam. Just last week, he ran over his 20-year-old daughter, Noor, with a car because she was “too western.” Imagine: This father used two tons of steel rage against his daughter. He mowed her down with a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Faleh also tried to kill the older woman who was with her, Amal Edan Khalef, with whom Noor was living. Amal had probably rescued Noor, but she was also the mother of Noor’s boyfriend. Both women are now in the hospital; Noor remains unconscious and is barely clinging to life. At issue: Apparently, Noor had been fighting with her father for years. She did not want to remain in her arranged marriage and indeed, left the Middle East and dared to choose a boyfriend of her own. Yes, like the Said sisters, Noor also had pages on Facebook and at MySpace too. Noor knew she was living in the United States and not in the Middle East. Apparently, her father did not accept this as reality. With the exception of brief, one-time reportage, (USA Today, AP, ABC News, etc.) the mainstream national media has not really covered this story. Only True Crime Reports has updated it. When it comes to Islam and honor killings, political, anthropological, historical, and psychological information is rarely brought to bear on the single story. Suddenly, completely out of context, one lone individual or one lone family just up and murders their daughter or their sister. No rhyme or reason to it. Case closed. The local Arizona media have certainly covered this attempted honor killing and they’ve quoted experts who’ve said things as strange as the local Dallas media experts did in the Said case (It was not an honor killing, honor killings have nothing to do with Islam or with Muslims); as strange as the Florida media experts did in the case of Rifqa Bary, the teenage apostate runaway whom a Florida judge has just sent back to Ohio (She is an unbalanced, rebellious teenager who only imagines that she has been abused; she is in no danger at all). Although the Bary case was decided narrowly, as a strictly jurisdictional decision, the local Florida media downplayed the danger that former Muslims face when they leave Islam–and the specific danger that young immigrant, often Muslim daughters face when they refuse to obey cultural and religious expectations. Hopefully, the Ohio judge will keep all this in mind. And by the way: In custody cases (and Bary’s case is just that), judges have the discretion to listen to the wishes of minor children as young as 12. Bary is 17 years old–certainly old enough to know where danger lies. Now back to the 4000-pound raging Iraqi father. The Arizona Republic quotes Tom Keil, a professor at Arizona State University who said that honor killings exist “deep in the isolated hills of Appalachian Kentucky… (and is) prevalent in clannish societies.” With all due respect to the scholar of Appalachia, I have just completed a study of honor killings on five continents that will be published in Middle East Quarterly. Although some Sikhs and Hindus do commit honor murders, it is primarily a Muslim-on-Muslim crime. Trust me on this. But I’m going up against the most incredibly smooth and seamless spin, one that is constant, omnipresent. Really big. Allow me to suggest that the White House is clearly engaged in micro-managing the news, especially when it pertains to political appointees, many of whom have come under attack. For example: A network (which shall remain nameless) approached me for a comment on a story they were doing about President Obama’s Islamic faith advisor, Dalia Mogahed. Let’s say that the subject concerned Shari’a law, Muslim women, and gender justice. But before the network could publish their story, (which challenged some of Mogahed’s views and acts), guess what? A major and exclusive interview with Mogahed suddenly appeared in the pages of US News and World Report. The interview allowed Mogahed to backtrack, explain, put a slightly different spin on what she’d previously said about Muslim women’s view of Shari’a law as the very vehicle which provides gender justice. I suppose if one is a religious Muslim woman and believes that Shari’a law is divine law, the conclusion that it does or should provide gender justice makes divine sense. I mean minutes, perhaps no more than an hour, before the first story was slated to appear–this exclusive scooped the criticism. That first story is now cancelled. And oh yes: Here’s what Jordanian journalist, Rania Husseini, recently said on Amy Goodman’s program Democracy Now about honor killings in Jordan. According to my source, Martin Rosenthal, “Husseini claimed that honor killings have nothing to do with any particular religion.” He sent me a small excerpt of what Ms. Husseini said in the interview: “So it’s [honor killings are] really not restricted to any religion. I have covered cases of Christian women who were killed in Jordan for tarnishing their families’ honor, same in other parts of the Middle East. So really it has nothing to do with any religion. I think it’s mostly a tribal—I’m sorry, it’s a traditional practice more than a religious. For example, in India, Sikh families kill their daughters. In Iraq, a woman from a Yazidi faith was stoned to death recently. So, really, it has nothing to do with any religion, as much as it has to do with peoples’ wrongful cultural and traditional beliefs.” It is never, ever Islam and when Muslims do something truly ghastly (like mow down their own daughter with a 4000 pound car or fly planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon) it is always someone else’s fault: The Zionists, the Americans, the Western colonialists, the daughter herself who, after all, forced her father into having to defend his obviously non-existent honor. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:41:48 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1993 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1994 We are entering an all-spin zone, a wild, weird and spooky season and I am not talking about Halloween. With a few exceptions, the mainstream media continue to kill stories about honor killings and attempted honor killings in North America. How often did you read stories about the honor killings that took place in Toronto (07), Dallas (08), Atlanta (08), Oak Forest, Illinois (08), Alexandria (08), Buffalo (09), and Kingston, Canada (09)—on and on, until the most recent attempted honor killing in Phoenix? There are two killers still on the loose: Yaser Said, the Dallas monster out of Egypt who abused, stalked, and murdered his two daughters with the help of his wife, their mother, and his son, their brother. Iraqi-born Faleh Hassan Almaleki is another foul killer on the lam. Just last week, he ran over his 20-year-old daughter, Noor, with a car because she was “too western.” Imagine: This father used two tons of steel rage against his daughter. He mowed her down with a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Faleh also tried to kill the older woman who was with her, Amal Edan Khalef, with whom Noor was living. Amal had probably rescued Noor, but she was also the mother of Noor’s boyfriend. Both women are now in the hospital; Noor remains unconscious and is barely clinging to life. At issue: Apparently, Noor had been fighting with her father for years. She did not want to remain in her arranged marriage and indeed, left the Middle East and dared to choose a boyfriend of her own. Yes, like the Said sisters, Noor also had pages on Facebook and at MySpace too. Noor knew she was living in the United States and not in the Middle East. Apparently, her father did not accept this as reality. With the exception of brief, one-time reportage, (USA Today, AP, ABC News, etc.) the mainstream national media has not really covered this story. Only True Crime Reports has updated it. When it comes to Islam and honor killings, political, anthropological, historical, and psychological information is rarely brought to bear on the single story. Suddenly, completely out of context, one lone individual or one lone family just up and murders their daughter or their sister. No rhyme or reason to it. Case closed. The local Arizona media have certainly covered this attempted honor killing and they’ve quoted experts who’ve said things as strange as the local Dallas media experts did in the Said case (It was not an honor killing, honor killings have nothing to do with Islam or with Muslims); as strange as the Florida media experts did in the case of Rifqa Bary, the teenage apostate runaway whom a Florida judge has just sent back to Ohio (She is an unbalanced, rebellious teenager who only imagines that she has been abused; she is in no danger at all). Although the Bary case was decided narrowly, as a strictly jurisdictional decision, the local Florida media downplayed the danger that former Muslims face when they leave Islam–and the specific danger that young immigrant, often Muslim daughters face when they refuse to obey cultural and religious expectations. Hopefully, the Ohio judge will keep all this in mind. And by the way: In custody cases (and Bary’s case is just that), judges have the discretion to listen to the wishes of minor children as young as 12. Bary is 17 years old–certainly old enough to know where danger lies. Now back to the 4000-pound raging Iraqi father. The Arizona Republic quotes Tom Keil, a professor at Arizona State University who said that honor killings exist “deep in the isolated hills of Appalachian Kentucky… (and is) prevalent in clannish societies.” With all due respect to the scholar of Appalachia, I have just completed a study of honor killings on five continents that will be published in Middle East Quarterly. Although some Sikhs and Hindus do commit honor murders, it is primarily a Muslim-on-Muslim crime. Trust me on this. But I’m going up against the most incredibly smooth and seamless spin, one that is constant, omnipresent. Really big. Allow me to suggest that the White House is clearly engaged in micro-managing the news, especially when it pertains to political appointees, many of whom have come under attack. For example: A network (which shall remain nameless) approached me for a comment on a story they were doing about President Obama’s Islamic faith advisor, Dalia Mogahed. Let’s say that the subject concerned Shari’a law, Muslim women, and gender justice. But before the network could publish their story, (which challenged some of Mogahed’s views and acts), guess what? A major and exclusive interview with Mogahed suddenly appeared in the pages of US News and World Report. The interview allowed Mogahed to backtrack, explain, put a slightly different spin on what she’d previously said about Muslim women’s view of Shari’a law as the very vehicle which provides gender justice. I suppose if one is a religious Muslim woman and believes that Shari’a law is divine law, the conclusion that it does or should provide gender justice makes divine sense. I mean minutes, perhaps no more than an hour, before the first story was slated to appear–this exclusive scooped the criticism. That first story is now cancelled. And oh yes: Here’s what Jordanian journalist, Rania Husseini, recently said on Amy Goodman’s program Democracy Now about honor killings in Jordan. According to my source, Martin Rosenthal, “Husseini claimed that honor killings have nothing to do with any particular religion.” He sent me a small excerpt of what Ms. Husseini said in the interview: “So it’s [honor killings are] really not restricted to any religion. I have covered cases of Christian women who were killed in Jordan for tarnishing their families’ honor, same in other parts of the Middle East. So really it has nothing to do with any religion. I think it’s mostly a tribal—I’m sorry, it’s a traditional practice more than a religious. For example, in India, Sikh families kill their daughters. In Iraq, a woman from a Yazidi faith was stoned to death recently. So, really, it has nothing to do with any religion, as much as it has to do with peoples’ wrongful cultural and traditional beliefs.” It is never, ever Islam and when Muslims do something truly ghastly (like mow down their own daughter with a 4000 pound car or fly planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon) it is always someone else’s fault: The Zionists, the Americans, the Western colonialists, the daughter herself who, after all, forced her father into having to defend his obviously non-existent honor. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:41:49 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1994 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1995 By all accounts, Tarek Mehanna seems an unlikely aspiring terrorist. He grew up in the Boston suburb of Sudbury, went to private schools, and, following in his father’s footsteps, earned a Ph.D. in pharmacology. Given all the advantages of wealth, education, and freedom afforded in America, Tarek Mehanna had a bright future. But a federal complaint against Mehanna describes aspirations of killing former President George W. Bush, mowing down shoppers with automatic weapons at a mall, and failed efforts at joining the ranks of terrorists abroad. A former religious teacher described him as a “fun-loving, ordinary, typical American kid.” Mehanna would bring comics to class and was a big fan of Superman. A friend laughed at the notion that Mehanna could ever be a terrorist. At his court appearance on Wednesday, Mehanna’s father claimed that the charges against his son were “a show.” An online acquaintance of Mehanna argued with me, saying that the charges had no merit. Mehanna, he claimed, was a “moderate” Muslim who had always argued against the killing of innocents. His arrest, his acquaintance told me, was evidence that Muslims in America are guilty until proven innocent — inferring that Mehanna’s arrest was just another in a larger, anti-Muslim conspiracy. The shock of Mehanna’s friends and family is typical. Those acquainted with terrorists often insist that the accused was shy, polite, helpful, or empathetic. It juxtaposes with our natural inclination to want to believe that people aspiring to evil deeds should somehow manifest the true nature of their characters in their day-to-day behavior. That such people aren’t typically raving lunatics, overtly sociopathic, or belligerent fanatics doesn’t dawn on most. It makes us feel safer to assume that a potential terrorist will give us some sort of warning sign. But in Mehanna’s case there were warning signs. If his friends’ shock is real, then Tarek Mehanna was living a compartmentalized and double life. For the Tarek Mehanna I knew online was not the “moderate” that his apologists portray him as. He was a fanatical Islamist, devoted to the same ideas as al-Qaeda. He spent countless hours translating Arabic texts into English in order to inspire others to become violent jihadists. Mehanna went by the handle “Abu Sayaba” online. In addition to frequently commenting at radical forums and online discussion groups, “Abu Sayaba” also ran his own blog. His Iskandari blog posted translations of Arabic texts. Typical of the writings he posted were calls for the establishment of an Islamic state and Islamic law. He also encouraged violent jihad as a means of attaining these two goals. Tarek Mehanna may seem to have been an unlikely terrorist candidate to some, but given his online support for violent jihad revealed through his “Abu Sayaba” persona, should it really come as a surprise that he would aspire to become a violent jihadist himself? Online, Mehanna reveals that the arrest of Aafia Siddiqui — a woman married to Khalid Sheik Mohammed’s nephew — caused him so much anger that he felt obligated to make the trip to New York City to attend one of her hearings. Ironically, Mehanna went to her hearing because he claimed to believe that she was innocent — a victim of the perceived vast conspiracy against Muslims. She must be innocent, he claimed, because those who knew her described her as a “very small, quiet, polite, and shy woman.” If Mehanna’s online activities as “Abu Sayaba” were unknown to friends and family — and therefore an excuse for their ignorance about his extremism — then unless he was living a very compartmentalized life, it is difficult to see how his real-world activities wouldn’t raise alarms. Among the unsavory characters in Mehanna’s clique is another homegrown jihad aspirant, Daniel Maldonado. Maldonado, who changed his name to “Al-Jughaifi” upon his conversion to Islam, is serving a 10-year sentence in a federal penitentiary. Like Mehanna, Maldonado also had an active online life. He worked at an Islamic forum giving advice to young people. Some of them followed that advice and are now serving prison sentences here in the U.S. and Canada. It was this connection to Maldonado that first brought Mehanna to the attention of federal agents. Maldonado traveled to Somalia, where he received weapons training from al-Qaeda operatives. While there, he called his friend Mehanna and encouraged him to come and join the cause. When questioned by the FBI about the call, Mehanna denied knowing his friend was in Somalia and claimed that he thought he was in Egypt. It was this lie to the FBI that led to his first arrest last year. It now appears that the underlying reason for the arrest was to prevent Mehanna from leaving the country as he was about to depart for Saudi Arabia. The details in this week’s federal complaint against Mehanna reveal why authorities would use the rather minor charge of lying to the FBI to keep him from leaving. In 2004, Mehanna and an accomplice traveled to Yemen to “find a terrorist training camp to learn how to conduct, and to subsequently engage in, jihad,” with the hope that they would fight against their own countrymen: U.S. soldiers in Iraq. Ultimately, they were unsuccessful. They found the training camps they were looking for closed and their intended contacts either away on a religious pilgrimage or already in jail. Mehanna’s accomplice, named as Ahmad Abousamra, continued to seek the life of a jihadist. In Iraq, insurgents turned him down because they didn’t trust him as an American. In Pakistan, two different jihadist groups turned him down because he was an Arab. After being questioned about these trips by federal authorities, Abousamra fled the U.S.; he is now believed to be living in Syria. In addition to Daniel Maldonado and Ahmad Abousamra, the federal complaint also claims that at least two other unnamed individuals plotted with Mehanna. The group frequently sat around discussing various acts of violence and justifications for killing civilians. They also watched propaganda videos. Many of these discussions might be chalked up to the world of fantasy, but on at least one occasion a group representative was sent to visit Maldonado in an attempt to acquire automatic weapons. So who is the real Tarek Mehanna? Is he the typical American kid described by some friends and family as incapable of being a terrorist? Or is he the supporter of violent jihad as seen in his publicly available online writings and described in the federal complaint against him? Those who believe that there must be some mutual exclusivity between acting in a typically American fashion and supporting terrorism have built a glass house of perception on which they hang their hopes of safety at their own peril. Mehanna is both typically American and a supporter of terror. That is to say, there is no inherent contradiction in aspiring terrorists being outwardly typical of the larger community. I recall photos of a young Adam Gadahn wearing an L.A. Dodgers baseball cap. Gadahn is now a member of al-Qaeda and the only U.S. citizen indicted for treason. Nor is there any temperamental requirement for terrorism. In my experience, people watching videos of Osama bin Laden for the first time are often confused by the fact that he is so soft-spoken. In their minds all nihilistic maniacs ought to give speeches like a frenzied Hitler at a Nuremberg rally. Muslims are especially at peril of falling into this pattern of thought. While homegrown terrorism is not exclusively limited to the Muslim community — the KKK being our nation’s oldest terrorist organization, for example — it is a fact that the vast majority of terrorists today are Muslims inspired by the ideology of jihad. Denying that someone could possibly be involved in terrorism because “he is so nice” or “seems so normal” can lead to an atmosphere of denial and paranoia. Since it is assumed that person after person charged is innocent because of a lack of abnormal behavior, it is often concluded that many Muslims are being arrested due to racism, religious bigotry, or an even larger conspiracy. The signs of terrorism are there, but you will not necessarily find them by searching for outwardly antisocial behavior. The common denominator to most would-be terrorists is a devotion to the jihad ideology. And ideologies are hard to detect. There are few, if any, T-shirts in the U.S. celebrating Osama bin Laden and no reports of a homegrown terrorist wearing one. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:57:39 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1995 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1998 If what this person writes has even a little bit of truth, UNM needs to monitor more closely what is being taught in the classroom. All religions have had and still have a dark side. Yes, wars have been fought in the name of religion. Catholics persecuted Jews, Muslims and the breakaway Protestants. No one can say they are above wrongdoing. We are all human, supposedly, and have many faults. We need to attempt to understand one another and work toward peace. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:16:46 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1998 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1999 The New York Times reports on itself: The dl delivers yet another example of dimwittedness; printing unsubstantiated accusations. With geniouses like this at the helm, no wonder the newspaper biz is in the tank. The New York Times plans to eliminate 100 newsroom jobs — about 8 percent of the total — by year’s end, offering buyouts to union and nonunion employees, and resorting to layoffs if it cannot get enough people to leave voluntarily, the paper announced on Monday. The program mirrors one carried out in the spring of 2008, when the paper erased 100 positions in its newsroom, though other jobs were created, so the net reduction was smaller. That round of cuts included some layoffs of journalists — about 15 to 20, though The Times would not disclose the actual figure — which was the first time in memory such a layoff had happened. Times executives said this year that they did not anticipate — but would not rule out — the news staff shrinking in 2009, except through attrition. In fact, when employees took a 5 percent pay cut for most of this year, it was meant to forestall any staff reductions. But hopes for a year-end turnaround in the newspaper business have faded. But Bill Keller, executive editor, does his best to buck up the troops: “Like you, I yearn for the day when we can do our jobs without looking over our shoulders for economic thunderstorms.” Yes, but aside from “yearning,” what are you doing? I don’t claim to know anything about American papers except as a reader. But I worked for many years in London, which is the most competitive newspaper market in the English-speaking world. Fleet Street has a whole bunch of problems but complacency isn’t one of them. Dips and downturns would occasion brainstorming, new hires, redirection, rival-nobbling by talent-poaching, and fresh content. America’s monodailies are in one headlong accelerating slide and there’s no sense in any of the priestly handwringing that anyone in the inner sanctum thinks, “You know, maybe the product could do with freshening up . . .” It’s all about sticking to “what we do best,” even as more and more Americans decide they can do without it. The bland portentous liberalism of U.S. newspapers was a consequence of monopoly. The monopoly’s gone, and so therefore has the content model. If you don’t recognize that, you’re not being serious. Unless you’re just killing time till the federal bailout. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:38:37 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/1999 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2000 Once again my low opinion of most of white Amerika is confirmed. Racist from their mothers’ milk, the rest of the world knows whom it has to fear among terrorist, lawless nations; fascist, white Amerika. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:46:25 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2000 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2001 Here’s an idea. If you really want to learn more about your religion, why don’t you transfer to Kabul University in Afghanistan. I’m sure they have a really good class on the specific nature of your religion. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:09:55 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2001 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2002 At the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed, stated Lord Christopher Monckton (former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher), speaking before the Minnesota Free Market Institute at an event at Bethel University in St. Paul on October 14. “Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it. I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement. How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it.” As we noted before, The Nobel Prize Was to Get BHO to Scandinavia at the Exact Same Time that the UN’s Climate Change Conference Is Taking Place (also, The Nobel Prize is really Obama’s payback for disciplining the unruly United States and taming it to be a member of the European family of nations)… Incidentally, a lot more studies will need to be conducted regarding foreign countries’ contributing funds to BHO’s campaign last year to help bring all of this about… Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:15:04 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2002 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2006 Mark, newspapers are tanking because, as you have just done, they are being slowly killed by the internet. No one buys newspapers anymore. The digital age has predicated the need for a physical medium, so there’s nothing to buy. Everyone gets their news from the internet, from google news and the like. You still think it’s an issue of marketing, or ‘business model’. It’s not. It’s the simple fact that you cannot compete with free. Why didn’t you know that? Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:48:18 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2006 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2007 Islam is a religion of war. http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam-101-religion-of-war_05.html Hey Robert race is Islam? Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:20:07 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2007 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2009 “Once again my low opinion of most of white Amerika is confirmed. Racist from their mothers’ milk, the rest of the world knows whom it has to fear among terrorist, lawless nations; fascist, white Amerika.” That generalization was extremely hurtful and hateful and will only serve to perpetuate more hate. There are white people in the US that are racist but you cannot look at every white person in the US and say they are racist. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:42:58 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2009 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2010 You know Robert, I’ll bet you’re not even smart enough to get the irony of complaining about “white Amerikans” and complaining about racism in the sentence. If only you could hear or read your own words, you’d realize that you are exactly what you despise. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:49:37 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2010 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2011 Could we limit our comments to the topic at hand: UNM’s failure to properly advertise its accurate and relevant classes on Islam. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:55:04 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2011 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2012 SALAM, If the United States was attacked by invaders who labeled themselves as fighting for ALLAH, whose side would you fight for? If you had knowledge of an attack on our, and your, university to “kill the infidels,” would you give a warning and try to stop it? Do you praise martyrs (suicide bombers)? RELIGION OR COUNTRY FIRST? Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:11:32 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2012 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2013 SALAM WRITES OFTEN FOR THE DAILY LOBO BUT WHERE IS HE NOW WITH PROOF OF HIS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST PROFESSORS? WHICH PROFESSORS ARE THEY? I WANT PROOF NOW FROM MR. SALAM AND THE DAILY LOBO SINCE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE PROOF FOR ALLOWING A LETTER WITH THESE SCANDALOUS ALLEGATIONS! EDITOR OF LOBO, DON’T BLAME IT ON A WORK-STUDY STUDENT!!! Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:21:28 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2013 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2019 Hat’s off to UNM Professors of Islam if Salam’s post is accurate. I must say that I am surprised to say the least that UNM Profs would be teaching some politically incorrect truths about the Islamic Religion. There are good and bad concepts within the Muslim and Christian religious teachings. However, I thought we were only allowed to teach the negative Christian stuff!!!One of the bad truths is that Muhammed did not teach “peace and tolerance” as Jesus did in the Christian religion. Islam and Chrisianity are nothing alike, Muhammed was a man of war and Jesus was a man of peace. Who knows if they even really existed, but according to the Koran and Bible this is accurate. Before Muhammad became a prophet he was a raider, Jesus was a carpenter. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:59:55 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2019 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2021 Bottom line Mr. Salam, you have no argument. It lacks any kind of substance or evidence. Oddly enough, what you claim to be false advertising on the beliefs of Islam seems to be the only things with any good evidence. Even if you disregard the verifiable claims made by Phyllis Chesler, you cannot ignore what the Taliban did to Afghanistan in the 1990’s which they claimed as an “Islamic state.” It was during this period of time that the people saw the most oppression, from public executions for infidelity (executions were mostly reserved just for women) to beatings for cheering too loud at soccer games. Interestingly enough, the Taliban claimed to just be following the guidelines set forth in the Koran. Why would they make such a statement to back their despicable actions if there was not evidence to substantiate their claim?! I have no doubt Mr. Salam that the majority of Muslims spit on these groups. But you fail to recognize the fact that the teachings these groups follow are found within the religion they claim to follow. The religion of Islam. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:55:18 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2021 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2023 Does Mr. Salam dismiss the extreme actions of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, etc… that advance the goals of Islam? If not, where are the moderate Muslims publicly denouncing these radical actions which only make the larger world Muslim population as a whole take the brunt of the criticism due to the actions of a few? Did Mr. Salam denounce the actions of Muslims on 9-11 or did he dance in the streets? Was that action discussed in his class? Were Muslims in the class justifying 9-11? I have yet to hear or see a protest by Muslims denouncing the actions of Muslims! Why? Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:24:14 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2023 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2025 The theory of jihad is not an American military or political invention. It is taken from the Koran, the Hadith and Islamic tradtion. Western liberalism, especially humanist and socialists find it hard to believe this. It is extraordinary how many people have written about 9-11 w/o mentioning Islam. The Islmic jihadist say that their motivation is the divine duty they are charged with by the Muslim religion to fight in the literal sense of the word until man made law has been replaced with God’s law- their god, the sharia. Once they have conquered the globe then all will be well with the world! Ha! What idiocy is this, what monstrosity of acceptance has been dawned by the American liberals and what mockery have the jihadist made of the liberals and their “peaceful” Muslim brothers? Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:47:34 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2025 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2028 Let me begin by saying I didn’t read much of this thread. But I have a contribution [WITH NAMES!] to make to the discussion. While at UNM, I took 2 courses that qualify as “instruction involving the subject of Islam.” One was the basic level course, Religion 107 with Dan Wolne. The other was History 251 (Asian Civilization to 1600) with Pat Risso. In neither of these courses was I taught that Muslims are violent or hateful and in neither of these courses was I taught that I ought to hate or be afraid of Muslims. There was actually an exchange student from Pakistan in the history class who was able to often give us some extra insights into how they do things where he’s from. In fact, both of them tried to tell us that we were missing out by not being well-informed about Islam. Risso shared with us a lot of poetry from their culture, and while I wasn’t particularly fond of it I didn’t find anything offensive about it. Wolne presented us with his thesis, which he also presented to a council in which he was called to serve shortly after the events of 9/11 wherein he concluded that the support of the attack was not primarily motivated by a desire for religious war. Rather, he claimed that Muslims saw it as a defensive measure to be taken against America because we can no longer keep our multinational corporations under control and they are expanding deeper and deeper into foreign countries where they are largely unwelcome. They are supposedly unwelcome because they promote values which run counter to the Islamic tradition and are seen as radical over there. These values are observed in things such as our violent media and the sultriness of our dress, and Muslims in these countries form their opinion of our moral constitution based on the things they see in these “American” stores. They don’t want their children adopting more western values (such as the mini-skirt), but it’s all the rage amongst the young who can afford it to look like us and act like us. So their reaction against our culture occurs with the conservatives in a very similar way to the fashion in which conservative American Christians rejected hippie culture or rock & roll. I learned in Risso’s history class that the Muslims actually practiced tolerance toward Jews and Christians before the converse was true.In the 1400s, they allowed Jews and Christians to build their own neighborhoods within their Muslim cities and gave them the freedom to practice their own religion and even collect their own taxes as long as the neighborhood as a collective still paid some taxes to the Muslim government at the head of the state. Now with regards to the issue of whether or not they practice violence as an inherent part of their religion, I cn only find ambiguous answers. It seems that it’s a hotly debated topic even amongst Muslims, based on what I remember of the Saffavid letters we read in class. One was arguing to another and said that is was necessary to “let not an infidel live,” while the other argued against that interpretation. I haven’t read much of Islam’s scriptures, so I can’t tell you for sure that they do or don’t teach religious purging, but I can tell you that I was not taught anything along the lines of this topic’s accuser in my classes at UNM. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:40:01 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2028 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2029 It seems like much of the people posting here don’t know much about Islam. Please visit www.unmmsa.com/what-is-islam/ if you want to learn about Islam. Islam IS a religion of PEACE. Please avoid mixing facts with what the blind media informs the public. At the end of the day, the main goal for any media station is: More and More views. Extremists are in every religion, and need to be accounted for their wrong doings. Extremist views and actions do NOT define religions principals. A religion draws boundaries for a person in order to protect him/her from causing harm to others. Islam teaches submission and peace. So please take the time to read and understand the religion before you make any judgments. After all, we’re all here to learn something. As far as the above article by Mr. Salam, some questions need to be asked. Do you have proof of what you’re saying? Are there any other students that feel the same way you do? What class are you referring to? Who’s teaching this class? Did you talk to the department dean? More questions can be asked. P.S. to the writer of “No Madrassas in Abq?” Madrassas is an Arabic word meaning schools. Madrassas = Schools. Not sure what your point is.. and so to answer your question, ABQ does have schools!! Peace, MSA Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:17:10 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2029 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2030 People get a clue. This is the third time the daily loser has printed the ridiculous crap this salami person spews, if it is indeed a real person. I have my doubts. If it is really interested in “learning” about islam, there is a learning center on Yale, south of avenida c. chavez—biggest in the state. Thought everyone knew that, certainly the islamic community does. This just isn’t real or believable. Above, shackleford, chesler and steyn are syndicated writers off the net. Someone’s posting articles, thoguht provoking and certainly more worthwhile than what this salami character is putting out. and btw, islam will be a religion of peace when its adherents make peace with the jews, and hindus, and christians and . . . Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:30:30 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2030 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2031 “GOD IS GREAT” THEY SCREAM AS THEY POINTED THE PLANE INTO THE GROUND IN PENNSYLVANIA ON 9-11! “ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.” SOON AFTER, A NEW YORK PLANE DOVE INTO THE OCEAN AS THE MUSLIM PILOT SCREAMED “ALLAH AKBAR!” “ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.” SUICIDE BOMBERS SCREAM “ALLAH AKBAR” RIGHT BEFORE THEY BLOW THEMSELVES UP ON BUSES, RESTAURANTS, TRAIN STATIONS, WEDDING CEREMONIES, AND CAR BOMBS! “ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.” MADRASSAS, WHICH ARE MUSLIM SCHOOLS THAT TEACH ISLAM, SCREAM “ALLAH AKBAR” AND “KILL THE INFIDELS” AND “KILL THE JEWS” INCLUDING TO CHILDREN FROM THE TIME THEY CAN TALK. “ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.” SUICIDE BOMBERS FAMILIES ARE PAID FOR THEIR SON’S AND DAUGHTER’S MARTYRDOM AND THEIR PICTURE IS POSTED ON FLYERS PRAISING THEIR ACTION: “ALLAH AKBAR!” (SADDAM GAVE UP TO $10,000 PER FAMILY ON TOP OF THE THOUSANDS GIVEN BY OUR GREAT FRIENDS, THE SAUDIS!) “ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.” MICHAEL FROM ABOVE POST JUSTIFYING 9-11 AS PROF TAUGHT HIM? “In fact, both of them tried to tell us that we were missing out by not being well-informed about Islam. Risso shared with us a lot of poetry from their culture, and while I wasn’t particularly fond of it I didn’t find anything offensive about it. Wolne presented us with his thesis, which he also presented to a council in which he was called to serve shortly after the events of 9/11 wherein he concluded that the support of the attack was not primarily motivated by a desire for religious war. Rather, he claimed that Muslims saw it as a defensive measure to be taken against America because we can no longer keep our multinational corporations under control and they are expanding deeper and deeper into foreign countries where they are largely unwelcome. They are supposedly unwelcome because they promote values which run counter to the Islamic tradition and are seen as radical over there. These values are observed in things such as our violent media and the sultriness of our dress, and Muslims in these countries form their opinion of our moral constitution based on the things they see in these “American” stores. They don’t want their children adopting more western values (such as the mini-skirt), but it’s all the rage amongst the young who can afford it to look like us and act like us. So their reaction against our culture occurs with the conservatives in a very similar way to the fashion in which conservative American Christians rejected hippie culture or rock & roll.” SEE, IT’S OUR MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES WHO ARE FAULT SO THEY ATTACKED THEM IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. THOSE COMPANIES WERE TRYING TO ADVANCE THE LIVING STANDARD OF MANY OF THOSE VERY COUNTRIES THAT NOW STAB US IN THE BACK! SIXTIES HIPPIES WERE SCREAMING “MAKE LOVE NOT WAR” AND WERE STONED ON POT AND THEIR BRAINS WERE FRIED FROM WINDOW PANE ACID. (ASK YOUR PROFESSORS IF THEY EXPERIENCED ACID, SCHROOMS, PURPLE MICRODOT AND ORANGE SUNSHINE? IF YOU WERE BORN OF A MOTHER OF THE SIXTIES, I WOULD GET A DNA TEST TO SEE IF WHO YOU THINK IS YOUR FATHER, IS YOUR FATHER.) TO MSA OR MUSLIM STUDENT ASSOCIATION, A MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF MUSLIM EXTREMISTS! ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE??????????????????????????? Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:43:12 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2031 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2032 It seems the MSA is just part of the problem. People wake up. On every college campus the MSA – Muslim Student Association – is inciting violence, they are harassing Jews and others, they are shutting down speeches and eliminating one of our greatest freedoms – that of freedom of speech, not to mention press. They will vehemently argue this post yet the examples are too numerous and too frequent to deny. The videos from UC Irvine where they shout allah akbar and state this is their jihad and will continue until Israel is soon wiped off the map – inshallah. This is the MSA. But what everyone should know is that the MSA is a Muslim Brotherhood organization that seeks to destroy America from within. If you think this sounds absurd – do the research. The evidence is OVERWHELMING and includes FBI documents directly from the Muslim Brotherhood! http://tr.im/DkUR Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:43:28 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2032 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2036 I used to have a job that felt like Divine Grace. Since I was raised secular, it was as close to a religious experience as I had ever had. I was fresh out of graduate school in my late 20s, working with black foster families and relatives in dicey areas of Oakland. Not a day went by that I didn’t cry — and not just because of the sorrowful plight of the kids. I’d never been around people like this before, who loved God, who praised Jesus, who lived to serve him. In retrospect, I think my tears came because deep in my heart, I loved God too, but I didn’t know it yet. These families were not raising your average kids. There were crack babies screaming in agony 24/7; molested kids who compulsively masturbated; children beaten and burned and now acting like hellions. And yet these families just kept on going because, as they would tell me, they prayed, and Jesus wanted them to take care of the kids. Most days, I could barely make it back to my car before I started weeping. Many of these folks made indelible impressions on my young soul. I remember a 22-year-old single mom living in an immaculate though tiny apartment. Since she had a toddler and worked full time, I felt bad even asking her if she would caretake her cousin’s newborn crack baby. Without skipping a beat, she said yes, she’d take the baby in, and that her church friends would help. And then, of course, the tears started streaming. Or the sheriff I interviewed who had a couple of kids but wanted to adopt another. She and her siblings were brutalized by an addict father. I was rendered speechless when she told me, with arms outstretched, “My father would extend his arms like this and we’d be scared to death. I want my children to see my arms and run to me, knowing they’ll be given a big hug.” When I started the job, I was a typical white liberal, out to rescue the poor. It took only a week on the job before a caregiver set me straight. Visiting two kids in the roughest housing project in West Oakland, I brought gifts of coloring books and crayons. The girls’ grandmother took me aside and lit into me, “I can afford to buy them toys. I don’t need your charity.” This grandma taught me a lesson in humility more salient than any class in school: I should leave my white guilt and condescension at the door. I surrendered my preconceived notions about minorities and instead let them teach me. My experiences have left me utterly clueless — stupefied really — about why the Left has a colonial attitude toward blacks. Even though I bought into most aspects of progressivism, I rejected this one. Leftists view themselves as the Great White Hope. They need to extend a helping hand and TLC to the disenfranchised. In contrast, conservatives don’t condescend. We desire a colorblind world where everyone has the opportunity for success. Will the real racist please stand up? While Obama fooled people with promises of a post-racial America, he and the Left are obsessed with skin color. They see nothing else. Take, for instance, this flyer I just received from a local Buddhist center. (Warning: get out your barf bag.) The workshop, designed for white people, is called, “Working With Our White Skin Privilege and Inner Diversity.” It explores how “we build identities of whiteness and the negative impact of this on others and on ourselves.” Translation: since most of the faces at Buddhist retreats are white, something must be wrong. And it’s progressives — like Dudley Do-Right — to the rescue! It couldn’t simply be that black people have their own religious preferences. Left to our own devices, people do just fine. Put a diverse group of kids on a playground and they bond based on interests, not skin color. Ditto for adults at work or in their neighborhoods. But to liberals, everything is a problem that only they can solve. Many well-meaning liberals truly think they’re helping. But those on the far Left, including Obama and his minions, use race to induce fear and consolidate their power. When the masses start seeing that the Emperor has no clothes, the Left browbeats them by pulling out the race card. Missing is any genuine concern for the plight of inner-city blacks. If the Left truly cared, they’d do more than blame whitey. They’d scrutinize the billions of dollars wasted on failed programs. They’d acknowledge that welfare programs have rendered fathers optional. That reminding blacks 24/7 about slavery and other atrocities weakens their spirit, and positions them as permanent victims. And that excusing antisocial behavior because of “white privilege” keeps the bar insultingly low, and promotes anarchy. I had a nasty argument a few months ago with a (now former) friend, a mega-leftist, after a horrible incident at a local middle school. A group of black 8th-graders beat and stoned their white teacher in the middle of class, and then ran outside and destroyed her car. When my ex-friend justified the kids’ behavior with the twisted logic that they were in fact the victims, I blew my top. I told her that black youths are perfectly capable of sitting through class without pummeling their teacher. She viewed the kids as broken, like damaged goods. I saw them as having the capability to be responsible, law-abiding people if society had some moral courage. Why is the Left so paternalistic? I think for some liberals, it’s the brainwashing. Live in these parts long enough and white people can feel ashamed of their whiteness. But it’s more than this: it feels good to be needed. We’re talking here about white arrogance, not just guilt. It’s a power trip to be the one handing out the handouts. There’s an old joke that’s apt: a rabbi walks into his synagogue and starts hitting his head against the wall. He hollers, “I’m nobody! I’m nobody!” The assistant rabbi walks in and sees the scene. He starts doing the same thing, banging his head and crying out, “I’m nobody! I’m nobody!” When a janitor walks in and sees what these men of faith are doing, he decides to imitate them. He bangs his head against the wall, bellowing, “I’m nobody! I’m nobody!” The rabbis stop their head-banging and look at the janitor with great disdain. His voice dripping with contempt, the rabbi says, “Look who thinks he’s nobody.” Wearing the veil of magnanimity, liberals trumpet social justice and altruism. Unmasked, it’s mainly about ego. They become somebodies by pretending they’re nobody. Black people do not want to be pitied, beholden to whites, or under anyone’s thumb. I think most have decidedly mixed feelings about liberal programs that foster dependency. While whites like to play the caregiver role, it’s blacks who have a lot to teach: about dignity and perseverance, faith and humility. That is, if liberals were actually willing to listen and learn. If I had to guess what blacks want, it would be the same things that whites want: love, respect, freedom, and dignity. The American dream and loved ones to share it with. And I think that most blacks and conservatives yearn for the very same thing that actress Greta Garbo craved years ago — to simply be left alone. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:17:23 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2036 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2038 THIS IS FROM “DISCOVERTHENETWORKS.ORG” GO TO “GROUPS THEN ISLAMIC.” LOOK AT OTHER GROUPS AND INDIVIDUALS AND YOU WILL SEE THE HATERS OF AMERICA BUT WHO STILL LIVE HERE TO DESTROY IT FROM “WITHIN” INCLUDING OBAMA AND COMPANY!!! MUSLIM STUDENT ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA “Established in January 1963 at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, the Muslim Students Association of the United States and Canada, or MSA (also known as MSA National) currently has chapters on nearly 600 college campuses (including more than 150 chapters affiliated with the national organization) across North America. (The relationship between MSA National and the individual university chapters is not a fixed hierarchy, but rather a loose connection. Thus the policies and views of the national organization may differ from those of some of the local chapters.) Stating that its mission is “to serve the best interest of Islam and Muslims in the United States and Canada so as to enable them to practice Islam as a complete way of life,” MSA is the most visible and influential Islamic student organization in North America. Founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood, MSA was named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood memorandum as one of the Brotherhood’s likeminded “organizations of our friends”1 who shared the common goal of destroying America and turning it into a Muslim nation. These “friends” were described by the Brotherhood as groups that could help teach Muslims “that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands … so that … God’s religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions.” In its earliest days, MSA was financed largely by Saudi Arabia. In return, says a February 2008 New York Times piece, the organization’s leaders “pushed the kingdom’s puritan, Wahhabi strain of Islam.” In the 1960s and 70s, adds the Times piece, MSA chapters “advocated theological and political positions derived from radical Islamist organizations and would brook no criticism of Saudi Arabia.” From its inception, MSA had close links with the extremist Muslim World League, whose chapters’ websites have featured not only Osama bin Laden’s propaganda, but also publicity-recruiting campaigns for Wahhabi subversion of the Chechen struggle in Russia. According to author and Islam expert Stephen Schwartz, MSA is a key lobbying organization for the Wahhabi sect of Islam. MSA solicited donations for the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, whose assets the U.S. government seized in December 2001 because that organization was giving financial support to the terrorist group Hamas. MSA also has strong ties to the World Assembly of Muslim Youth. Charging that U.S. foreign policy is driven by militaristic imperialism, MSA steadfastly opposes the American military incursions into both Afghanistan and Iraq. The organization also follows the Arab propaganda line in the Middle East conflict and has condemned the anti-terrorist security fence that Israel has built in the West Bank as an illegal “apartheid wall” that violates the civil and human rights of Palestinians. An influential member of the International ANSWER steering committee, MSA maintains a large presence at ANSWER-sponsored anti-war demonstrations. The pro-North Korea, pro-Saddam Hussein ANSWER is a front organization of the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party. Local chapters of MSA were signatories to a February 20, 2002 document, composed by the radical group Refuse & Resist (a creation of the Revolutionary Communist Party’s C. Clark Kissinger), condemning military tribunals and the detention of immigrants apprehended in connection with post-9/11 terrorism investigations. The document read, in part: “[T]hey [the U.S. government] are coming for the Arab, Muslim and South Asian immigrants. … The recent ‘disappearances,’ indefinite detention, the round-ups, the secret military tribunals, the denial of legal representation, evidence kept a secret from the accused, the denial of any due process for Arab, Muslim, South Asians and others, have chilling similarities to a police state.” MSA strongly opposes the Patriot Act, which it describes as an “infamous” piece of legislation. The organization’s chapters across the United States have similarly denounced virtually every other national security initiative implemented by the U.S. government since the 9/11 attacks. MSA chose not to endorse or participate in the May 14, 2005 “Free Muslims March Against Terror,” an event whose stated purpose was to “send a message to the terrorists and extremists that their days are numbered … [and to send] a message to the people of the Middle East, the Muslim world and all people who seek freedom, democracy and peaceful coexistence that we support them.” THERE ARE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THEIR TIES TO TERRORISTS ON THE SITE. TOO NUMBEROUS AND TOO BIG TO COPY HERE. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:45:16 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2038 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2039 At some point in the long process of recovering from the horrible institution of slavery, a movement began just prior to the counterculture rebellion of the 1960s. It was Martin Luther King, Jr.’s philosophy, in which a man’s character would take precedence over the color of his skin. The movement was powerful but fleeting. Unfortunately, it would turn into something King would never have recognized. The modern-day race hustlers would eventually replace the character-based philosophy of King with the ideology of the counterculture. The ideology of the counterculture contained a sophomoric arrogance where young people believed they were smarter than their elders. They also believed that all of the tradition that preceded them was irrelevant. The line between real moral failings and the wisdom of Christian morality became blurred. They saw a greedy, oppressive, immoral establishment, which they desired to tear down. And tear it down they did. One problem was that the left had nothing to replace it with. The white patriarch was bad and his Christian nation was faulty, but they had no workable alternative. All they had was their own subjective wisdom. And the same holds true for their modern-day progeny (and geriatric counterculture holdovers). All they have is their own “smart” policy, as Hillary would say. A great danger of the left is its use of government to implement policy. Race relations in the U.S. were not allowed to develop naturally. Government was employed to create affirmative action to instantly make things right. Hence, the country experienced school busing and other policy disasters. When government got too heavily involved in the business of creating racial equality, race relations became politicized. Unfortunately, blacks, in many instances, were invited to become perpetual victims. Democratic politicians and the race hustlers have inflicted upon the black community unspeakable indignities. Many blacks were knocked off course and into a morally barren wilderness. Some of the most enduring values of the black community were stolen within a couple generations. On the new Democratic vote-producing plantations, dignity, morality, responsibility, and a work ethic were replaced with government checks. The formerly strong, intact, two parent family unit, in many instances, would become dispensable. (The widespread destruction as a result of liberal policies is not, of course, limited to the black community.) Sadly, the left did not build upon the ideals of Dr. King, by which all men would have been lifted up and from which families and communities would have been strengthened. Guilt-ridden liberals suffer from a self-abasing sickness which is seen everywhere in the culture. Consider entertainment and TV commercials. It’s a culture in which movies are produced that disproportionally present white men as clumsy idiots or greed-mongers and no one blinks an eye. A culture has been created in which constant derision is leveled against the white male and ultra-sensitivity is extended to those the white man has oppressed: women and minorities. Never mind that the guilty white man is not of our generation, but generations ago. Anyone who dares to speak out against the artificial, politically biased system, much less point out the phenomena, must be condemned with the full force of the culture’s moral indignation. This is the only area in which liberals are truly colorblind. Anyone who dares to point out the obvious must be attacked regardless of color. Just ask Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Kenneth Gladney, etc., about their treatment from the liberal establishment. A white conservative male who dares to speak out will face the harshest stigma that can be meted out by hypocritical and self-righteous race hustlers. The label of “racist” attaches automatically to outspoken conservatives. And the liberal media will never let it go. The politically incorrect will be left hanging as a piñata and beaten periodically. Quotes will be created out of thin air. Actual words spoken will be twisted and taken out of context purposefully. Distorted meaning will be extracted from satire. Just ask Rush Limbaugh, who exposes the system with analysis and parody. The poster boy villain of the left has recently been punished. Limbaugh’s dream of co-owning a National Football League team has been thwarted. He is unworthy to participate in the very free market that he champions. The politically correct system facilitated the use of out-and-out lies against him. The true racists of the country — the race hustlers — recently practiced their vile craft against Rush on the stage of public opinion. As soon as the St. Louis Rams announcement was made, they pounced, and Rush was torn apart with vicious slander. The liberal media then gleefully echoed falsified quotes without fact checking. The result? The drive-by public believes Rush is a racist. The more significant result is that the powers within the NFL became fearful of the “controversy.” A major conservative figure was thus blocked from a unique sphere of influence. The race card is a means to a greater political end. Rather than disagree and debate, the left applies the shameful practice of destroying its enemies. If the hustlers had a research team and a shred of decency they would eventually admit the falsehoods and distortions. They owe Rush several retractions and a big apology. As a group with many religious leftists, notably Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, maybe they could repent, which means to turn from. Maybe they could turn from their destructive race baiting, which divides, destroys, and creates an atmosphere of animosity. Until that day arrives, I suggest that they actually listen to Rush rather than rely on hearsay and prejudiced sources. They might just come to understand that conservative principles truly transcend race. Unlike liberalism, conservatism does not see skin color, but the character and worldview of a person. The color of a person’s skin is irrelevant. Conservatives, like Rush, want everyone to succeed on their own merits and hard work — just like in football. But in order to succeed, a free country is necessary. I think Rush has another dream that doesn’t involve football. I think Rush has a dream that some glorious day liberalism will be defeated so that men may be lifted up without having to tear others down. I think Rush dreams of a day when race baiting will no longer be used to destroy a man’s character. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:52:17 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2039 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2041 Because, you know, women shopping is like unnatural or something: “news.yahoo.PESHAWAR, Pakistan – A car bomb tore through a busy market in northwestern Pakistan on Wednesday, killing 91 people as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton visited the country and pledged American support for its campaign against Islamist militants. More than 200 people were wounded in the blast in the main northwestern city of Peshawar, the deadliest in a surge of attacks this month. The government blamed militants seeking to avenge an army offensive launched this month against al-Qaida and Taliban in their stronghold close to the Afghan border. The bomb destroyed much of a market selling bangles, dresses and toys that was popular with women and children. It collapsed buildings, including a mosque, and set shops on fire in an old part of the city crisscrossed with narrow alleys and clogged with stalls. Wounded people sat amid burning debris and body parts as a huge plume of gray smoke rose above the city.” Oh the brave Mujahadeen blowing up Mosques, Muslim women & children. Must make Allah the Bloodthirsty who resides inside that cube so proud. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:28:12 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2041 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2042 Once, long ago, I was held captive in Kabul, Afghanistan. Yes, I went there of my own free will, but I was only 20 years old and in love with my college sweetheart – a sophisticated, modern man with whom I discussed Dostoevsky, Strindberg, Sartre, Ibsen, de Sica, Truffaut, Fellini, and Simone Signoret. We were both theatre and movie buffs, and although my future husband had been born in Afghanistan, he had attended high school and college in America. When we landed in Kabul, my American passport was confiscated and I discovered, for the first time, that my father-in-law had three wives and twenty-one children. I had flown right into the Middle Ages. I soon learned that I was expected in live in purdah—a rather posh version of an all-female life at home, with trips to female relatives and to the tailor. If one survives such a grand and dangerous adventure, one learns some important lessons. Thus, even before I became a feminist in 1967, I had already learned that the (imperfect) West is still a far better place for a woman to live than is the most hospitable, beautiful, wealth-encrusted Muslim country. Friends thought I had married a Prince and gone to live in a fairytale. They did not want too much reality to intrude upon their fantasies. Thus, at too young an age, I already understood that barbarism and hatred of the Other is indigenous to Islam; it is not caused by Western “evil.” Intra-tribal and religious-sect feuding is a permanent way of life in the wild, wild East. I could never get anyone in the American civil rights, anti-war, feminist, or post-colonialist movements to understand this. They needed to blame the Big Bad West for the world’s problems. They also needed to identify the developing world as intrinsically innocent, pure, victimized. I escaped from Kabul long before the arrival of the lotus-eating hippies, the Soviets, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and the American Marines. At the time, I tried to tell my American college friends about some of the awful sights I had seen: women in ghost-like sheets (burqas) who were forced to sit at the back of the bus; servants who slept on dirt floors and were treated as slaves; the considerable downside to polygamy; the normalization of cruelty towards women and children (sons too) which, when challenged, was met with utter indifference or fury, not because of the cruelty but because it was shameful to discuss or expose it. Nearly a decade before the gay rights movement, I also tried to tell people that I’d seen men with rifles slung over their shoulders wearing lipstick and holding hands on the streets of Kabul. One such man wore a flower behind his ear. Another gazed lovingly at his partner. When I mentioned this to my Afghan family, everyone told me that Afghan men are not homosexuals, that such practices are forbidden by Islam. I was expected not to believe my own eyes. Now, it is almost 2010, and many Muslims (and their Western sympathizers) still continue to deny that Islam or Muslims are in any way responsible for the crimes against humanity which they commit—most often against other Muslims. They claim that Israel made them do it. Naked western women, especially those in battle uniform (in Kuwait) with naked faces made them do it. A Jewish and Western presence in Muslim holy lands, beamed in via satellite TV or through the internet, forced Bin Laden to defend the umma’s honor against perverted Western values. My people: Western feminists, leftists, gay liberationists, progressives, absolutely refuse to stand up to Islam’s subordination and bestial persecution of women, dissidents, and homosexuals. The same activists who easily condemn Christianity and Judaism as “misogynists” are hushed about Islamic misogyny in practice. Western capitalism, colonialism, and the Judeo-Christian heritage has never forced Muslim girls and women to wear burqas, marry against their will when they were ten years old, join polygamous households, or marry men old enough to be their fathers or grandfathers. Western laws have never decreed that thieves must have their hands chopped off or that prostitutes and alleged adulterers must be stoned to death. Although some Sikhs and Hindus do honor-murder their women, this is primarily a Muslim-on-Muslim crime. Islamic gender apartheid is caused and maintained by a treacherous intertwining of Muslim religious, tribal, and local laws and customs. In retrospect, I have often wondered whether my western feminism was forged in Afghanistan and whether my passionate advocacy for the universal human rights of Muslim women and dissidents is an attempt to redress the tragic abuses I once saw, abuses which have only gotten worse over time. Now I and a handful of others are trying to tell the truth about Islamic gender apartheid. Those of us who are raising the alarm are being demonized as “Islamophobes,” “racists,” and “fascists.” Yet, in my opinion, western civilization, beginning with Europe, will be won or lost on the issue of women’s rights. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:07:47 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2042 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2043 The intentional or unitentional anti-Muslim effects of billions of dollars worth of government propaganda, generated and disseminated to bolster support for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, are clearly palpable on this board. Regardless of weather or not there is some truth to it, it is not coincidental that the Taliban, and Iraq’s insurgents before them, are accused daily of atrocties against civilians with a routine mention of children killed. A rational observer would have to wonder why a guerilla movement would target its base of support on a regular basis? You can find the answer in El Salvador’s history. This manipulation of reality is probably the kind of disinformation that is critical to sustain popular support for a couterinsurgency war effort. The challenge is to make Americans hate some but not all Muslims which is almost an impossibe task. Islam’s natural enemies in America(fundamentalist christians and zionists) have conveniently chimed in. Even liberals are recruited to support these wars using issues such as women’s rights, gay rights, and political oppression. Do you really claim to worry about a woman’s burka when you don’t really care about millions of people are killed and displaced for vague and illegitimate objectives like in jerusalem, Fallujah, and Swat valley. How many people on this website write with a clear conviction about the evils of Islam when in reality they know nothing but the soundbites generated by a propaganda machine? Female genital mutilation (an African cultural tradition practiced by christians, muslims, and animists) and the 72 virgins thing are prime examples. The original 72 “pure companions” was mistranslated using wording that suggests deviancy for the sole purpose of effecting hate. The current US govenment is now backpeddling ferociously to reverse the torrent of hate. The Republicans, however, having tasted BLOOD and the potential of such sentiments to energize fundamentalist Christians, are still willing to exploit this as Hitler did before them. The propgandists originally aimed to divert from this fundamental truth: the violence you are seeing in the greater middle east is a reaction to US foreign policy. It is not an innate expression of those people’s culture or religion, it is a resistance movement. And before anyone reverts to the default argument, yes the 911 atrocity was preceded by many more atrocities committed against millions of Muslim people, and no I do not believe that such violence is ever justifiable. The bottom line however is that when you kill, maim and displace millions of people in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan either directly using your own armies, or indirectly by financing or coercing other armies to do it for you, you will almost certainly experience blowback. This will keep happening until enough Aemricans have the wisdom to recognize this truth, and the courage to speak up about it. It is very convenient and I am sure soothing to your collective conscience to believe that islam is evil but that is simply not true. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:16:38 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2043 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2045 A religion that kills its own and uses its own for human shields? A religion that cuts off limbs, ears, tongues, and clitoris’? A religion that keeps women in the stone ages and then stones them for minor offenses? A religion where a man has numerous wifes and children? (Where are the GLOBAL WARMISTS?) A religion that praises and honors those who kill? A religion that teaches hatred? A religion that has honor killings of family members by family members? A religion that uses the Freedoms granted by our Constitution to overthrow the Constitution? A student organization at UNM? Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:19:35 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2045 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2046 Islam does state that if you steal and you or your family are not in dire need for food then your hands should be cut off. An extreme punishment for an extreme crime. You advocate taking away mens’ freedom for decades for the same crime. I would argue that both are equally cruel. I can tell you that incarceration is at least unnatural. You can naturally lose your hand to an injury and quickly recover but can you naturally lose your freedom? Polygamy up to four wives is permitted in Islam but generally discouraged. An almost impossible condition of perfectly equal treatment of all wives is mandated. Also, free adults are free to make their own decisions and if they chose a polygamous lifestyle then they should be permitted to do so. As for your concern about Muslim women, why don’t you advocate for the Palestinian women whose homes are being demolished in Palestine every day? Also Muslim women come to this country and the vast majority choose to live a Muslim lifestyle. They are hardly forced to do so. Islam cannot thrive and grow in this country without the enthusiastic support of the women you claim are oppressed. Islam urges its followers to fight their oppressors with all thier might and it does honor the men and women who do so. Islam teaches hatred of injustice, arrogance, aggression, greed, ignorance, corruption, and all of thos who practice these. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:55:29 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2046 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2047 Khamdy: Given the fulfillment of your co-religionists wildest dream; no more Israel, the west gives up and grabs the ankles for ya, everbody provides all the cash you’ll ever need, we all convert to islam or pay the jizya etc. . . The first thing that would happen is the sunnis—and the various sub factions therein—and shiia would immediately launch a blood bath, AGAINST EACH OTHER!!!! Your attempt at playing the victim card doesn’t work here pal. Get over it. This ain’t about what we do, it’s about who we are; and you hate that. The fact is everyday we learn more and more about what islam is really about, and we don’t buy it. Plain and simple. So who is the hater? Let’s see you mentioned “fundamentalist christians,” the “zionists,” republicans; “natural enemies.” Dude, it’s like a lefty list of talking points. Oh, and hitler got his inspiration from Jerusalem’s Mufti Hadjimin Al-Huesseni, they sort of had a mutual admiration thing going, you know the deal. FMG; what are you saying, no islamic culture practices this? What universe do you live in? Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:13:45 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2047 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2049 My critics who seek to delegitimize my main point have now come forward and think they are scoring a powerful blow against me by, typically, pointing out that FGM is not exclusively Muslim. This is a key traditional tactic of the Left. In order to whitewash the barbarity of adversary cultures, they consistently exonerate it by equivocating about how some kind of injustice exists somewhere else — and, especially, of course, how it exists in our own society and civilization. Thus, some of the critics revel in how Lucy Semiyan Mashua (sponsoredgirl.com), who is leading the new campaign against FGM, is from Kenya and comes from the Massai, a Christian African tribe. This is how their mental gymnastics work: FGM is not just an Islamic practice, so we can’t say anything critical about Islam when it is connected to FGM. This way we can’t say that anything is really better than anything else, and we especially can’t say that our civilization is better than Islam’s or that we have anything to teach Islamic societies. This kind of thinking deliberately incapacitates any action that could be implemented on behalf of Islam’s victims. If you try to do something on behalf of the victims, which begins with honesty about who is perpetrating the crime and why, the critics come forward and say: “Hey, but it isn’t just Muslims that do it.” Then the critics feel really good about themselves for pointing this out and, yes, go home and do nothing about the subject at hand. So in the case of FGM, the leftist feels self-satisfied that he’s pointed out that it’s not just Islam that does it, he engages in no action to help the victims and the mutilation of girls under Islam continues. Naturally Muslims are not the only ones who perpetrate FGM. Of course, FGM is practised outside of Islam, including under non-Islamic African tribal cultures. I never said anywhere that FGM is only practised by Muslims. But the key issue here is that Muslims are the principle religious group that practices this sexual violence against women. And the reality is that if you are a victim of FGM, then the chances are very high that you live in a Muslim household and in a Muslim culture. Now within the context of Islamic FGM, the barbarity is kept alive and legitimized by Islamic theology. This is the case in Egypt, where this crime against girls is waged on a massive level. The Egyptian government banned FGM in 1996, but an Egyptian court overturned the ban in July 1997 because of the ferocious uprising of the Islamic clerics, who fervently pointed to Islamic teachings to re-implement this war against women’s sexuality. The Muslim mutilators pointed to traditional Islamic teachings that sanction FGM, which include the Prophet Muhammad’s instruction that circumcising girls is “a preservation of honor for women.” Also, a legal manual of the Shafi’i school of Islamic jurisprudence, ‘Umdat al-Salik, which is endorsed by Al-Azhar University of Cairo — the oldest and most prestigious university in the Islamic world — states that circumcision is obligatory for both boys and girls. Keeping FGM institutionalized also helps the Islamic mutilators keep the structure of Islamic gender apartheid in place. Keeping FGM legitimized and at work is one of the most effective means to keeping women subjugated and caged. After all, the strategy behind amputating the clitoris is clearly to kill the woman’s sexual desire and pleasure, which, in this diseased misogynist mindset, reduces the chances that she will ever toy with the notions of autonomy, equality and self-determination. Question: How can we possibly help Egyptian girls, and other girls who are targeted for FGM under Islam, if we do not confront the philosophy behind the institutionalization of this violence? You cannot save Muslim girls from FGM without crystallizing what it is within the religion that gives fertile soil and legitimation to FGM. The way to save human beings from this violence is to isolate those teachings and to have them nullified – and this involves confronting certain Islamic teachings. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:57:07 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2049 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2050 Jamie Glazov you have obviously researched the extent of this practice and you seem to know what you are talking about. I am not here to deny the reality of FGM in certain countries, including Egypt, and I do agree that this practice should be confronted and abolished. I think by defining this as an Islamic practice and falsely linking it directly to the Prophet Mohamed you expose your true anti-islamic agenda. running out of other good reasons, there are many people who are now using the banner of feminism and human rights to justify and support large scale acts of government-sponsored and government-perpetrated terrorism against civilian populations in the Muslim world. Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Egypt are a few examples. You are not here to prevent FGM but to boost anti-Islamic sentiment, and by extension, public support for atrocities against Muslim people. Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:35:34 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2050 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2051 This if from Jamie Glazov post. WHERE ARE THE WOMEN RIGHTS GROUPS? WOMEN STUDIES GROUPS? NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR WOMEN? Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:37:58 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2051 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2052 Here’s a deeper look into a recent attempted “Honor Killing” by Haytham: Update: Now Mike Kruse of the St. Petersburg Times reports that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) have reported that there is “no evidence whatsoever of alleged abuse or threats of death made by the girl’s parents.” Thursday, the state Department of Children Families asked that Bary no longer be allowed to visit with Blake and Beverly Lorenz. The judge agreed, although he let her continue to visit with the Lorenzes’ three children, who are in their 20s, and whom Bary considers “dear friends and spiritual advisers,” according to John Stemberger, her attorney. Hat-tip: Loonwatch —————————- The case of Fathima Rifqa Bary is interesting to say the least. The 17-year old, who arrived with her family from Sri Lanka less than a decade ago, ran away from home in Ohio to Florida, allegedly because she was afraid of being killed by her father after her decision to leave Islam for Christianity. Fathima, a cheerleader in her high-school, took a bus to Florida right after a fight with her mother. Conveniently the ticket was already purchased for her and paid for by a Blake Lorenz, a Florida pastor (and wife Beverly Lorenzo), who Fathima met on Facebook, and who was quoted as saying, “Christians are at war with Islam and that Islam is evil”. Question: How can a minor have her inter-state travel arranged without her parents’ consent and with the aid of a total stranger, who might have as well been a pedophile? Isn’t this illegal? If Blake Lorenz was such a Good Samaritan, and was so concerned about Fathima’s life, why did he not just do the “normal” thing and contact the local authorities in Ohio (CPS and/or police)? Blake’s intervention, especially based on his views about Islam and Muslims, can easily be seen as carrying an agenda beyond the “kind pastor” shtick. Fathima’s claim about her father’s murderous appetite was also flatly dismissed by the Ohio authorities. In an article in the The Columbus Dispatch, Sgt. Jerry Cupp of the missing-persons unit of the Columbus police special-victims bureau, disputes Fathima’s allegation saying [H]er father, Mohamed Bary, appears to be a loving parent who knew about her conversion to Christianity months ago. Wait, did he just say knew about her conversion to Christianity months ago?! Why wait till now to threaten to kill her? And if he threatened to kill her for some time, why wait until this point? So many questions and very few answers in this curious story. Back to our story then, like any concerned parent would do, Fathima’s parents contacted the local police department to file a missing persons report. Except that Fathima was already on her way to Florida, where Lorenz was assisting in having a case filed in the State of Florida to gain custody of the Fathima. One of the beautiful things that is advertised about living in the United States is that the same law is applied to everyone, regardless of who they are or what they do. But not apparently in the case of Muslims anymore, as we see time and time again. As Mike Thomas reports in an excellent and objective piece in the Orlando Sentinel, aptly entitled, “Anti-Muslim bias obvious in Fathima Rifqa Bary case”, The case went to court last week. And in a rather surprising twist, rather than send Rifqa back to Ohio, Circuit Judge Daniel Dawson decided to investigate Ohio. And so the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is off to determine her survival chances there. What jurisdiction does Florida have in this case at all? Is the girl from Florida? No. Are her parents from Florida? No. Was any crime committed in Florida in this case? No. Is there a case for using tort law? No. So, what is this case doing in Florida? As Mike Thomas’s piece highlights, Left unanswered is what business Florida has involving itself in this matter. The people best suited to determine the threat level to Rifqa are the cops and social workers in Ohio familiar with the Bary family and the Muslim community. It appeared they had worked out a good compromise plan, allowing Rifqa to go into foster care while they ensured her safety. Thus, on Monday August 10th, a judge in the 9th Judicial Circuit Court of Florida placed the girl in the custody of the state’s Department of Children and Families. To add salt to injury, the court also ruled that Rev. Blake and his wife are allowed visitation to the daughter along with her biological father. What legal custody does this Pastor have over this minor? If anything Blake should be charged with arranging for illegal inter-state transportation of a minor, not be rewarded for his role! One can’t help but consider Governor Charlie Crist’s intervention in the Florida court’s decision to keep Fathima in the state. Again Mike Thomas doesn’t let the politics slip by, noting that Gov. Crist is facing a strong challenge from Marco Rubio in the Republican U.S. Senate primary. Forget the relationship between this minor and her parents, forget civil and constitutional rights, as long as Crist can use his intervention to gain a few brownie points on election day. Of course Crist’s challenger couldn’t be left behind. Rubio also issued a statement in support of Fathima and spammed it all over the net. What happened to the America that I once knew?! Imagine, for a second, if an Imam was in the same position as the pastor, god forbid. Not only would he be crucified in the media, but it would not come as a surprise if he were accused of brainwashing, along with child abuse, and, if not a citizen, be deported! Such double standards are quashing all attempts by sincere people on both sides to close the gap between the minority Muslim Americans and majority non-Muslims. I am having a hard time believing that devoted Muslim parents with “claimed” ties to radical Islam allowed their 17-year old daughter to wear short-skirts, jumping up and down, cheerleading in her school. Putting this aside, there is no history, claim or knowledge of any physical abuse by her parents. These are the very same parents who were interviewed on their local news channel saying that their daughter was coached by this Evangelic Pastor to broadcast a violent image of Islam and her family. Everything about this case has been nothing more than drama, at least this is how I see it. Watch this video of Fathima, as she tries to cry but tears don’t cooperate! The cross that she shows off around her neck, the bible that she reads in the court, the claims that she was abused, and pretty much all of the rest, appear to be nothing but synchronized by the pastor-coach. Even her own brother makes the same judgment about her. And what irony, that her life was in no danger until the pastor decided to make her into a media spectacle, fronting her in front on national and international television. In my opinion, the safety of the girl is the last thing this Pastor had in mind; rather his goal was to use the girl as a way to defame Islam and Muslims. What bothers me the most is that Mohamed Bary, the girl’s father, is seen not as an individual, but somehow as a representative of a religion. I personally don’t really care much for the girl, she has made her decision, and she will be bear the consequences for such decision, but the loss of a child for the parents, who came to America to live the American dream, and the public humiliation that the parents have had to endure is indeed heart breaking. What a story, don’t you think? It also provides a glimpse of a sad reality of some born-Muslims who leave their religion. We, as Muslims, are facing a great challenge as those before us, from the Irish, to the Italians, and even the Jews faced. That is how to keep our identity as Muslims while raising our children in this country. Lectures and programs have discussed this issue, and yet we fail to put together a compelling solution. Also, this should serve as a reminder for those who want to live in the United States or in the West in general: take care of your children! There appears to have been something seriously wrong within the family of Fathima, in how she would raise such a battle-cry against her own kin. It would seem that there was a communication breakdown and possibly lack of proper religious learning, wallahualam. Many a time, Muslims, especially new immigrants, who are trying to establish the American dream, get so caught up in this dream that they forget the very reason that they grabbed on to that dream in the first place: for the sake of their families’ betterment. And betterment has to include not just materialistic issues, but spiritual and religious betterment. Otherwise, what good is the duniya when it forces you to give up on the akhira? So, talk to your children, teach them, and be role models for them. If you need to learn how, then take a class about raising your children, read a book on the subject, listen to some audio, but do something. I am not talking to my parent’s generation, rather I am talking to my generation. You are educated, you grew up here or spent substantial amount of years here, you already know the system… all what is missing is for you to own up to the challenge. I can’t help it but remember the hadith of the prophet, peace and blessings be upon him where he said, “You are all shepherds and you are responsible for your flock”. Our parents already decided for us to live in this country, hence it is time for us to face the challenge of practicing our religion and keeping our heritage, while living the American way of life. Finally, about honor killings (the oxymoron it is), there is no sane Muslim who knows anything about his/her own religion, who doesn’t also know that individual members of the society cannot take matters of life and death in their own hands. In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find one undisputed example of a Muslim-turned-non-Muslim being killed by a family member in the West. And since indisputably, there are a few “apostates” every year, it can mean only one thing: this whole issue about fearing one’s own family is a joke, just like how the judiciary in Fathima’s case has acted thus far. It is primarily and significantly motivated by Islamophobia and anti-Muslim bias. Matters of hadd (Islamic penal code) can only be applied by a state authority in an Islamic state, which certainly doesn’t exist for Muslims residing in the West, and one could argue doesn’t exist anywhere around the globe. Even the entire issue of apostasy and its punishment is complicated but suffice to say, it has absolutely ZERO relevance to the case of Fathima or any other apostate from Islam in the West. courtesy: muslimmatters.org Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:37:30 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2052 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2067 Mohajir – I’m a prof of Islamic history, also Religious Studies. I’d be grateful if you would send me (or write here) the names of these instructors. Professors have and should have freedom to teach their academic specialties letting the chips fall as they may; but I must say I find this very surprising, appalling if true, and would like to learn more. If you are reluctant to name names just the department would help. In my now long experience in the field I’ve never heard of anyone making such shocking statements, if what is alleged is true. In fact, most academics in the field teach Islam sympathetically and have many Muslim students. Of course they are professional scholars who don’t take the truth claims of any religion at face value. This is often misinterpreted by people in the Middle East as an attack on Islam, but Muslim students and scholars in our universities know the difference between scholarship and polemic. In my book the best way to handle outrageous speech is to counter it with reasonable speech, certainly something I would want to do for the sake of the field, again if the accusations are born out. So anything you have, particularly the context of the alleged speech, I’d very much like to see. Many of the other issues raised here are good points for discussion but I won’t get into them. You can write here or to me directly at Dept of History, U of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 53706. Thanks, Michael Chamberlain Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:17:33 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2067 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2068 “MICHAEL FROM ABOVE POST JUSTIFYING 9-11 AS PROF TAUGHT HIM? “ You sound like a yellow-journalist. And actually, I never said 9/11 was justified. You need to read more closely. I didn’t even make a comment about whether or not 9/11 was justified. I said that my professor said the mainstream SUPPORT of terrorist activities is seen as a defensive measure by the Muslim populous because they’re tired of westerners forcing western culture on them and they’re tired of their children preferring to westernize instead of holding on to the traditional Islamic values. Nowhere in there did I say anything about whether that is morally right or wrong, so learn to read. You do a disservice to your own opinions by being so sensationalist and, to put it bluntly, being a raving lunatic who types in all caps. “THOSE COMPANIES WERE TRYING TO ADVANCE THE LIVING STANDARD OF MANY OF THOSE VERY COUNTRIES THAT NOW STAB US IN THE BACK!” But that advancement of their living standard is only how it looks from our own perspective. They didn’t feel that obtaining our violent movies and slutty clothing was really an advancement in their standard of living—instead they considered it a leap toward moral depravity. And I’m not saying I agree with them, but if you look at the situation seriously you’ll notice that they’re just conservatives who don’t want to see things change, exactly the same as conservatives in our country who don’t want to see things change except that they have different values they’re conserving. I will not condone terrorism, but what could these people have done instead? Talk to our government? Even if we agreed to try to help and get Wal-Mart and The Gap out of their countries, Wal-Mart would just tell our government to shove it. They can afford to bribe every official who has a say in the matter, and they would if it would protect their market and yield greater profits than it would cost. “The propagandists originally aimed to divert from this fundamental truth: the violence you are seeing in the greater middle east is a reaction to US foreign policy.” THIS. Also the fact that our government can’t really control our economic superpowers any more because they can afford to bribe the government, so when they want to do something like expand their profit margins by moving in and selling to countries who don’t want them there, nothing can stop them. I’m not even saying it’s necessarily wrong to have those companies move in there, because there is a market for it, it’s just that the market’s parents aren’t happy about it and then we get to the issue of whether or not parents have the right to decide what their children can or can’t do. I’m sure rebellious college-age students will pipe up immediately and say parents have no such right, but think carefully about it. Almost all religions try to teach their values to their children and when you were a kid, did your parents let you get away with, “no mom I’m not going to do as you say”? “Oh, and hitler got his inspiration from Jerusalem’s Mufti Hadjimin Al-Huesseni, they sort of had a mutual admiration thing going, you know the deal.” Hitler most probably got his inspiration from Nietzsche’s nachtlass (keeping in mind that Nietzsche probably never intended to organize it or publish it and his anti-Semite sister did it “for him” posthumously). It can be read as a how-to manual for manipulating large groups of people to hate and slaughter some common scapegoat, and that’s exactly what Hitler did. He had a single goal: fix the German economy. How did he do it? He manipulated a huge number of people into mercilessly slaughtering Jews everywhere they could find. What did it accomplish? It uhm…saved the German economy…until he lost his world-wide war and the majority of Europe decided to screw it again (but still not as bad as the previous time) as punishment. So a group of extremists attack a major central hub of our economy…and mysteriously large numbers of people get motivated to absolutely hate Islam as a unified whole through state propaganda…his comparison might require a bit of thinking but it’s not totally implausible. I’d agree with it, actually. “Do you really claim to worry about a woman’s burka when you don’t really care about millions of people are killed and displaced for vague and illegitimate objectives like in jerusalem, Fallujah, and Swat valley?” I would like to ask a similar question of all Americans who weren’t acquainted with any of the people who lost their lives in the twin towers attack. Why did you cry so hard for people you didn’t even know when they were unfairly killed in the horror of 9/11 if you didn’t care about them before they were attacked? They were still human beings and Americans before they died, and you probably swore at them on the highway because they cut you off, yet you sobbed and sobbed when they died because it was somehow sad to you? It’s disrespectful to them if you pretend to grieve over their deaths just because it makes you feel like a better person. I’ve never yet met a person who didn’t scream in rage at me for asking this, but that’s because it’s a truth that’s apparently too hard to admit and denial is so much easier. “A religion that keeps women in the stone ages and then stones them for minor offenses? “ See also: Christianity & Upanishadic “Hinduism.” Both of these have doctrines which teach that women are derivative of man and therefore not his equal. I’m talking about the Book of Genesis and the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad & its associated creation story in particular. You know it’s sad, because at one point there WERE some matriarchal religions in the world. The Jews and Christians did a great job of mopping up nearly all of them. And a little known story…Islam is part of the same family of religions as Judaism and Christianity. So if you’re going to condemn one of them for patriarchy, let’s get rid of all three. It doesn’t really matter if one is more zealous and enthusiastic about treating women like crap than the other two, they all hold an improper belief. “And the reality is that if you are a victim of FGM, then the chances are very high that you live in a Muslim household and in a Muslim culture.” The same can be said of male circumcision and Judeo-Christian culture (and hey—it’s condoned in the Bible of all things!). Turns out most of the nerves responsible for sexual pleasure are in the foreskin, and the penis is not any cleaner on average with the foreskin removed. So I propose to you that both cultures have serious problems (stemming from their gods) and neither has anything beneficial to teach the other on the topic of sexual abuse. Circumcision is wrong, period. And I agree with you—quoting Jesus’ “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” bit doesn’t help anyone, but realistically if we can’t even reform our own culture how are we going to change a culture in which the majority are already opposed to having anything to do with our culture? Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:21:49 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2068 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2070 The Muslim religion is not an innocent. Studying it does not make is so, nor does reducing religions to academic material equalize them or justify any of the actions of those who profess to be following the religion’s dictate. To Michael- I recommend that you contain your discussion to things you possess some knowledge of, feminism in the Bible and Judeo-Christian culture do not appear to be among them. Anytime we can be pollitically incorrect about the Islamic religion the truth leaks out. Sure there are good people and good families and good religious people who subscribe to the Muslim religion. There always will be. There isn’t, however, another religion on the globe that points it’s followers in the direction that the Muslim religion does. You can compare facets of the origins, look at the Koran and Bible verse by verse or listen to an academic professor who supports teaching the inability to discern. No mattter your strategy you will not be able to escape the extremism of Islam in today’s world. Blameing it on Western culture and/or political military is a poor excuse and really begs the initial question. Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:24:57 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2070 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2072 lawrence: HA HA HA. watch your blood pressure dude. and who the hell made you moderator? I post what i will and you don’t have to like it, read it nor respond. freakin’ swampy (smelly old hippy), step off. Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:01:49 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2072 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2101 offensive and intellectually dishonest are the arguments that all religions and cultures are the same and just as bad. hundreds of witches were burned,several million slaves were sold(from tribal chiefs to slaveship pilots),some thousands were tortured to death in the inquistion. did christ or his 12 do or command any such thing?there is no record of christianity being anything but victims until circa400ad (roman emperor justinian). in earlier more primitive times, the old testament displays brutal acts done by prophets and judges but conspicuously absent in the new testament.christians study it, but doesn’t make them party to the misdeeds anymore than singing opera makes one italian. examining a much later islam, one should expect an even gentler and kinder belief, which the moderate muslim claims, particularly the suffi muslim(their version of gnostic eastern christianity, for lack of a better comparison). however, it takes little effort or objectivity to find in the hadiths glaring examples of the most horrific crimes committed by mohammad himself, compounded by his 12 disciples and expanded across africa, the middle east and asia, mostly at the expense of christianity practiced by about 75% of those populations of spain to coptic egypt and from syria to turkey.all were military invasions, forcing what was left of christianity to defend itself via the crusades.russia suffered for centuries under the islamic mongels/tarters. an estimated 90 million hindus were slaughtered or enslaved and in living memory the ottomans committed genocide against a million armenians(earliest christian church). most suffering and new forms of slavery preoccupying humanity over the last century was caused by the newer phenomena of national socialism and communism spreading over half the globe and killing perhaps a quarter billion people(mostly civilians)in systemized starvation, labor camps or summary executions against christian, muslim and jew alike. relieved that the worst of that is over(save north korea, mayanmar,byelorus,zimbabwe and perhaps some aspects of china)we now face a resurgence of islam, in spite of its gross inferiority for human development. Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:30:43 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2101 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2110 When it comes to Islam, most Westerners are history ignoramuses, softening them up for Muslim disinformation, especially that it’s a “religion of peace and love”. 1400 years of Muslim history can’t be wrong. Where is the best online place to learn the key facts of the rise and spread of Islam fast free and accurate? Try the Historyscoper’s Quick History of Islam for History Ignoramuses, just click http://go.to/islamhistory Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:31:54 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2110 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2192 It’s sad to see blatant Islamophobic comments when a student expresses concerns about instruction at UNM. The student has become a scapegoat for so much misplaced hate and anger! Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:12:51 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2192 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2207 The courses were Western Religions and Islamic traditions in the Spring of 2009. The instructors were Stephanie Berger and Hugh Horan. Ms.Berger said that Sunni Islam teaches the same ideology as Al-Qaeda and Mr.Horan compared the Prophet Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Him) to Adolf Hitler. Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:05:16 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2207 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2213 I’m surprised the professor mentioned violence in connection with Islam since it quite clearly is a religion of peace. LOL. Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:33:24 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2213 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2214 Anyone care to offer their thoughts on why Mohammad married a 9 year old girl and how many Islamic governments today allow or forbid doing today what the so-called prophet did then? And would any care to say how the Sunnis and Shia are practicing “the religion of peace” when they regularly slaughter each other? Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:38:54 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2214 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2215 The writer makes the following statement: “Maybe one day common sense will prevail and UNM will hire Muslims to teach classes about Islam.” I’d say save the money and just have students read the headlines-that would be all one needs to do to see Islam in action. Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:44:44 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2215 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2216 Islam began in the deserts of Arabia and Muslims claim that Islam only fights “defensive” wars. So what were they doing in France? Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:59:30 -0600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2216 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2237 The Muslim religion, once again, is not a peaceful or benevolent religion. It was started by a warrior who believed in bringing child brides into his harem. There is no rationale or justification for this or the individuals who follows this backwards and non-stellar religion. Is Christianity perfect, no. Have many things been done in the name of the church that were evil, yes. But on the whole Jesus is just a pretty nice guy all the way around. He didn’t advise his followers to enslave non-believers, he didn’t instruct his followers to marry and have sex with underage girls, he taught respect for secular law, never encouraged the murder of helpless women and children as a means of warfare; and was wise enough to understand that heaven is not where multiple virgins await martyrs and murderers. Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:48:57 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2237 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2309 Well, that girl in Arizona who was run down by her father is dead now. She died of her injuries. Oh, so Islam is a PEACEFUL religion? GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY! Take your murdering ways with you; we have enough problems of our own without YOU “people” making everything worse! And then, the father tried to flee the country after he killed his daughter! If he was so convinced that his actions were proper, LET HIM STAND UP LIKE A MAN AND FACE THE CONSEQUENCES! I hope AZ has the death penalty. I hope he swings for this. Or fries. I don’t care which. Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:02:54 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2309 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2310 This HONOR KILLING was to due to his daughter becoming “too Westernized.” WHAT DO EXPECT IN A FREE WESTERNIZED COUNTRY? WHY DON’T THEY MOVE TO A NON-WESTERNIZED COUNTRY where they could enslave them, hang them in public for being raped while the rapists watch, shoot them in the head, stone them, etc…? SO WHY DID THE MAN STAY HERE and subject his daughter to such evils? What Westernized evils did the father partake in? Looking for little girls to fill up his harem like his leader? “Hey, if Mo can do it, I certainly can!” IF THE FATHER, AND THE LIKE, CAN KILL THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS IN HONOR KILLINGS, THEY CAN KILL US TOO! WE’RE INFIDELS WORTHY OF DEATH! THEY’RE MARTYRS WORTHY OF 72 VIRGINS! WILL MUSLIM AMERICANS PROTEST THIS KILLING OR WILL THEY STAY SILENT? WHAT ABOUT OUR UNM MUSLIMS? Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:53:22 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2310 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2311 No there will be no protest by any group of Muslims, at least there will not be any public media supported protest. How come? What eerie quite message is loud and clear when there is no protest? The message is that Westerners need to be proud of their own heritage, stop bemoaning the mistakes of Christianity or Jewish faiths and realize that the greatest country on earth was founded upon Judeo Christian beliefs. It’s time to say “enough” and be greatful for what we have and stand up domestically like we have internationally against Islam. We should tie all foreign aid to the treatment of non-Muslims or just stop foreign aid to muslim countries all together. Any country that wants to be a friend to the USA must publically renounce Sharia law. Any jokers like the idiot in Arizona should be labeled as mentally ill and placed in a mental health facility for the duration. Prison is a close second. Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:19:46 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2311 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2313 Don Schrader hates “Westernized” civilizations too. He walks on sidewalks and is bitter at all the cars driving past him as he brags that he hasn’t riden in a car for years. He only eats raw food and drinks his own urine. So why doesn’t he move to the Amazon jungle and live off the land instead of off the government? He doesn’t help anyone but himself for living the way he lives so he is SELFISH! I agree with SLOWHIKE in that we should stop funding any country who harbors, allows, teaches, HATRED FOR “WESTERNIZATION!” THAT INCLUDES SAUDI ARABIA! DRILL HERE! DRILL NOW! TEACHING CHILDREN “TO KILL THE INFIDEL,” THAT’S ME AND YOU, SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED. Don and the Muslims should just move to where they will be happy and free from “WESTERIZATION!” Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:46:18 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2313 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2352 Wither you hate Islam and Muslim or you don’t it doesn’t really matter. In fact, with all the millions of dollars that NON-Muslims paying to say Islam is the religion of terrorism, Islam is the fastest growing religion especially in the western countries. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_fastest_growing_religion and look it up in the youtube “why they convert to Islam” This is because it makes sense and it is as easy as 1 2 3, “Six Articles of Faith: 1. One God; 2. The angels of God; 3. The books of God, especially the Qur’an; 4. The prophets of God, especially Muhammad; 5. The Day of Judgment (or the afterlife); and 6. The supremacy of God’s will (or predestination). Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:23:29 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2352 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2354 HATRED FOR AMERICANS!, have you ever talked to Don? He isn’t selfish, if he has fruit he will offer it. I know him, and although he is proud of not driving a car, he isn’t bitter at the cars driving by him. He wishes they would change, but is very softspoken about it, only using his own example to try to persuade others. The fact is, it’s fine to disagree with him, in fact, in the few conversations I’ve had, he hasn’t had any problem with my disagreements, and hasn’t looked down on me because I’m not like him (I get in vehicles all the time, eat meat, am straight, wear clothes, etc.) It’s possible to disagree with someone without spewing hate. Just because I think it’s un-American to, say, drive a giant truck, doesn’t mean I go around saying how people who drive trucks hate america, or far right-wingers, or whatever. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and since Don is doing it in not only a non-confrontational way, and he isn’t rude when you decide to talk to him and then disagree, I would honor him even if I vehemently opposed all of his values. It takes bravery to stand up for what you believe in with such consistency and against such opposition, but it also takes restraint to not judge those who disagree with you. Thus, Don is a man of bravery and restraint, so you should honor him as a principled opponent. And for those of you who might claim that the poster is actually Don, you are stupid. He wouldn’t touch a computer with a ten-foot pole (something else I disagree with him on, but am not judged for). Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:40:30 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2354 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2357 Don spent around $3300 last year as he keeps a log of his expenses. Think about that and let’s take that number apart. How much is his rent even for a small studio including utilities even though he said he doesn’t use them. Who is his landlord because I’d like to know how much his rent is but since you “know” him, you can ask him next time you talk to him. BUT, let’s say it’s at the low end of rent around $200 a month times twelve is $2400 leaving $900 for food. Or $150 times twelve is $1700 leaving $1600 for food. Which is it because it’s important to catch the hypocrit. He does shop for food at the flea market on weekends so let’s say he spends at least $10 per week, $40 a month, $480 a year. BUT DID YOU KNOW HE BUYS HIS OTHER FOOD AT THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE IN TOWN?: THE MONTANITA COOP! Since he only buys raw nuts, they range from $2.99 to $9.00 PER POUND. If you see if walking down the street, his canvass bag is full. Maybe a $6 loaf of bread? NOPE SINCE THAT IS COOKED. What is in that bag? All raw nuts? A ONE DOLLAR ORGANIC BANANA? Maybe we can verify his purchases at the most expensive place it town? Don is also a pervert. Don used to be a nude model for UNM art classes but was not rehired after his daily semi- erections during class and hitting on male students. There was also word that his picture of him standing nude with his erect small banana was posted at porn shops advertising for group sex. Other pictures covered their faces but not Don’s. Did he whore himself for pay? Also, don’t ever shake Don’s hand or get too close to him. You never know where that hand has been!!! THE NUMBERS JUST DON’T ADD UP. Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:16:58 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2357 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2383 Actually, although I know his rent is quite low, i don’t know the exact figure. However, his place has about 100 square feet of room so can’t be too much… He does shop at the co-op, but if you’d ever been there you’d know that they have one dollar bags of food that will be thrown out after the day is up. Whenever I have gone to the co-op and seen don there, he isn’t “buying raw nuts,” he’s either waiting for them to put out the one-dollar bags or eating said food outside. He also eats a lot of stuff that is just scavenged, for example people who have fruit trees that hang over their side walks, he has a small garden, and since he has horrible teeth i doubt that he ever buys raw nuts. As for the “pervert,” I don’t know the reason he doesn’t still do that, and I highly doubt that you know what you said to be true. As for the porn shops thing, even if it is true, its still not being hypocritical. One of the things he likes to say is that we should all be much more offended by “an erect missile than an erect penis.” And I have to say I agree with his point that sex shouldn’t be considered nearly as offensive as killing thousands of people. Not that I don’t feel weird if I see a naked man, I just think that ideally weapons would be looked down upon much more than promiscuity. I’m still not saying you should agree with him or even that I think most people would like him if they got to know him. What I’m saying is that the man is brave and doesn’t stoop to the level of his accusers, doesn’t shout back at people yelling obscenities at him, just goes his own way. For that he deserves respect. Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:39:01 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2383 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2565 oh and one more thing I forgot, all of you saying you see Don on computers are lying. He doesn’t use computers, dumb*ss. Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:00:51 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2565 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2568 The responses to this letter truly break my heart. The amount of hatred and fear here is absolutely astounding. There is no doubt that the Quran is used to justify atrocious acts of violence, but the Bible has been (and is) used to do the same!! To say otherwise is either a lie, or simply ignorance. The Inquisition, The Crusades, violence against homosexuals, violence against abortion doctors, the ethnic cleansing of Spanish Moriscos after the Reconquista, Protestant persecution, witch hunts, pogroms, the millions of casualties of religiously justified spanish colonialism the list goes on and on and on!!! Christianity is not without extremist cults either: The Westboro Catholic Church? The Lord Our Righteousness Church??? Was that filthy pedophile not using the exuse of being “a man of god” to sexually abuse young girls right here in NM? When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. -Sinclair Lewis Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother’s eye. -Matthew 7:1-5 (“Christians” please take special note of the above quote, you lousy hypocrites. If there is a God, you are the reason why he almost wiped us all out with the Great Flood. Shame on you. Can you people not see that extreme interpretations of religion are why we are in this mess?? You are just as guilty as any card-carrying member of the Taleban! You do nothing but promote hate and violence.) O ye who believe, be upright for God witnesses injustice; and let not hatred of a people cause you to be unjust. Be just — that is closer to piety. -Quran 5:8 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:40:57 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2568 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2711 Shouting “GOD IS GREAT,” Nidal Hasan calmly shot his victims killing 13 in his planned SUICIDE and MURDER SPREE! THIS IS ISLAMIC TERRORISM AND NOTHING LESS!!! He told others that Muslims needed to strap bombs to themselves and go to Times Square! He also said Muslims had the right to kill Americans! SO, he did it. OUR MUSLIM STUDENT ASSOCIATION, WHOSE MEMBERS ARE PROBABLY CHEERING THIS PSYCHO, NEEDS TO BE BANNED FROM OUR UNIVERSITY! The MSA was born our of Muslim Brotherhood which praises suicide bombers! THEY POST THEIR PICTURES PRAISING THEM AND THEY WILL SURELY HAVE BILLBOARDS PRAISING HASAN, WHO CLAIMS HE’S A PALESTINIAN BUT BORN IN THE U.S.. THIS IS A HATE CRIME! IT’S JIHAD AGAINST AMERICANS BY AMERICANS! Hasan was a psychiatrist whose patients were returning soldiers. HE PROBABLY MADE THEM FEEL GUILTY BY SAYING THEY FOUGHT “FOR A LIE.” I’m sure that he asked them how many women and children they killed, how many homes he shot at, etc… as he made them feel they were following orders and risking their lives “based on a lie!” ALL HIS PATIENTS NEED TO BE SCREENED AND ASKED WHAT HASAN ASKED AND TOLD THEM! THE SPITTING ON OUR SOLDIERS HAS BEEN THE ISSUE AS MANY IN THE MEDIA ARE BLAMING THEM, BUSH, LEGITIMIZING HASAN’S ACTIONS, AND WORSE, CALLING HIM A “MARTYR!” IF UNM’S MUSLIM STUDENT ASSOCIATION DOESN’T FORMALLY DENOUNCE THIS ACTION, THEY NEED TO BE BANNED!!! THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED YEARS AGO AS THEY SUPPORTED THE ACTIONS AND TACTICS OF HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH TERRORISTS WHO PRAISE SUICIDE BOMBERS AND WITH THEIR SILENCE, THEY WILL SUPPORT HASAN WHO WAS ALSO ON A SUICIDE MISSION!!!! Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:03:29 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2711 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2720 I really do not understand why people continue to liken Christianity to Islam. Christians, Catholicism, etc. have been heavily diluted since the age of reason. As an atheist, it is difficult to see the similarity between the two. ANd this does not include Islamists that have embraced Western Culture—I’m talking about what they preach in the middle east, where the largest majority and the core of this religion stems from. Any one disagreeing should look into Ayaan Hirsi Ali, her book is “Infidel”. Islam is by far more violent and totalitarian than Christianity. As for the multicultural agenda, moral relativism, that is written here—it is absurd. OF course you can judge based upon evidence, there are truths and there are absolutes! QUit with the Kantian BS, Islam is not a religion of peace it is of hate and violence. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:38:53 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2720 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2721 ANd Islam is NOT the fastest growing religion, Christianity is, I do not know where you got that from but it is false! Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:40:54 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2721 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2724 They kill their own, honor killings, in the name of Allah? As they kill, they scream “Allahu Akbar?” They abuse women? They declare Fatwa’s? THEY PREACH HATE, PRAISE AND SCREAM “DEATH TO AMERICA” AND NOTHING IS DONE TO THEM? Yet, no one can speak ill of them, make jokes, or cartoons without fear of retaliation? WHERE ARE THE MODERATE MUSLIM AMERICANS VOICING DISGUST AT THE EXTREMISTS WHO HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS “RELIGION OF PEACE?” Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:10:45 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2724 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2727 Let’s count the ways! 1. They ah, ah, ah 2. Well they surely ah, ah, ah 3. When 9-11 happened they ah ah ah, “We danced and cheered! We were so happy! It’s nice to see people happy!” 4. They like to crash weddings! “Those are always a blast!” 5. They like to get women stoned! “That’s really fun but my arm does get sore!” 6. They like hanging around in public squares! “We like Pinata’s too!” Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:29:51 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2727 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2729 It would be better for all if any and all Muslims in the USA renounced their religion or left the country. They are a cancer in our society with the potential to spread, just as it did in Fort Hood, Texas. Shouting Allah Akbar while killing the infidels is a definitive short story on the Islamic religion and its’ null value to humanity. Although the liberal media, politicians and liberals will not admit it, “killing the infidels” is the clearest demonstration of racial and religious discrimination available. Isn’t that what liberals are against? Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:50:06 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2729 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2740 I agree with slowhike. Whose side are they on? If they think their religion is more important than their country and its Constitution and its freedoms, then they do need to just leave to a country that follows their ideals. If we are infidels then why do they live in our infidel country. Don’t they wake up every morning and scream Allah Akbar and then go straight to the airport to get the hell out of here? Isn’t this like living in a bad marriage? Do they like to be abused but stay anyway? Shouldn’t they just get a divorce? For all the women out there. Don’t even look at a Muslim boyfriend if this is how they treat women! No respect for freedom or Westernization? They will eventually beat you and make you a slave as their Allah instructs them! Everyone knows how jealous they are and you won’t have any contact with anyone including family! The more I think of them, the sicker they make me!!! Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:52:47 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2740 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2747 seriously? There are people in religions of every stripe who hold their religion in higher importance than their country. Good Christians definitively are supposed to hold the Lord above worldly affiliations. Very dumb argument. What about Christian men who beat their wives? My point isn’t that what Islamic extremists do is okay, but that you get extremists in every sect. I thought we had freedom of religion in this country slowhike? or just religions that you like? You guys are the ones who should leave, for calling for the removal of one of the tenets of American liberty. What if a christian committed some atrocity? Should we remove all Christians? dumb*sses. Slowhike, I cannot believe that you actually believe some of the absolute crap you put up there. Here is a list of some examples of advances that we wouldn’t have if not for Muslims: Modern medicine, Astronomy (and thus the navigational tools that came with it, and thus Columbus’s discovery of the Americas, and thus the UNITED STATES), algebra and all maths that are derived from algebra (arabic vs. roman numerals allowed for these advancements. In fact, a Persian Muslim “invented” algebra), and many, many more. During the crusades (and earlier) Muslims were the only ones to not massacre the “enemy” civilians of Jerusalem when they captured it. Peace and caring can be found in all religions, as can violence. So shut it. Extremism is bad, so make that your enemy, and don’t employ tired stereotypes about “all” muslims waking up and bombing airports. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:15:43 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2747 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2750 Muslim kidnapped my daughter to Turkey to visit his Lebanese relatives and never came back. After three years of fighting, there is no hope of bringing her back. The State Department has tried in vane to get her back to me but Muslim law states that the husband can keep any child. She is now nine years old and living in southern Turkey. I have traveled there with my father in hopes of finding her but it worse than trying to find a needle in a gigantic haystack! The media was very uncooperative too. We tried to buy an ad with her picture in a national newspaper and they refused. We then put posters with her pictures in several train and bus stations and it seemed like we were being followed because on our return to the area only a few minutes later, the posters were removed. We were not allowed in any schools but we did speak to parents walking their kids to school but none recognized her. Once they realized we were Americans, they wouldn’t talk at all since they knew exactly what happened. It seems it is common. I let her go because I thought it would be good for her to see the world. My husband had a good job and I never thought he would do this. She was so happy when I saw her last before check-in so at least it is a good memory. The only other photos I have of her were from school and the professional photos but my husband is also in them. I did get the scissors to many of them but they look strange on the wall and visitors who don’t know the whole story ask about that in the first minute. My husband was not a devout Muslim as he did not attend a mosque or prayed except for the two months before he left he went to a funeral at the mosque and then started attending. When he came home from work, he went straight to our bedroom and locked it. He also did not want to be bothered. Sometimes he didn’t eat. He also didn’t watch any TV which really was different. When our daughter knocked on the door, he would open it for her and I could hear him talking to her but I couldn’t understand it. I did hear him crying two days before they left but I didn’t mention it. I never talked to either one of them while their trip but went to the airport to pick them up and they weren’t there. I went to the counter and they had no record of them on that plane. I thought I had made a mistake and keep calling home to see if they were on another flight and our wires were crossed. They again checked all their flights and there was no record. Finally they checked the original ticket and both were one-way tickets. I never bothered to check or look at the tickets because he wrote everything down for me. When I tried contacting the phone numbers from our phone bill, all the numbers were disconnected. I called his work and he was not there but they did expect him back so he never told them either so as not to put suspicion on himself since I had known many of his co-workers. After a week of contacting every government agency, senators, and the Governor, they had no way of dealing with this type of situation since she was his daughter too and that Muslim law allowed him to do it especially since my signature was on her passport application as required. Don’t be fooled by their come ons! They have the best. They dress and smell nice. Their accent melts you. Their stories interest you. Their calmness turns to a roar of a lion as quick as flipping a light switch. They never say they are sorry. They walk in front of you on the sidewalk. You must wait on them constantly. You have very few friends but they surely can’t come over but when his friends come, you have to make snacks on a moments notice no matter what project you are doing. No Western music ever not even while he’s gone. Donuts? Forget it! Really. No soft drinks either. No makeup. No hairdos. No nails. No shaving anywhere ever. No talking to men except a worker at a store. No packaged vegetables. Surely nothing canned. No drinking or smoking. No Western holidays especially anything to do with Christmas or Easter. New Year’s were okay since that is a world event but what’s strange is that it is still based on BC and AD dates of Jesus. No workmen/plumber at all without him there including in emergencies. No purchases without his approval. Gas and mileage had to be logged. No Girl Scouts, dancing classes, anything for our daughter. No Halloween for sure. No Barney, Pocahontas, Snow White, etc… products ever. No Happy Meals but burgers were okay but no drive-thru. No malls. No zoos. No concerts since that is Western. No movie theaters. No busses. No women’s or homemaker magazines. Surely no dining out without him. No credit cards for me. No flushing of toilet during the night no matter what’s in there. No pets. Plants and flowers are allowed. Marry a Muslim? You’d have more fun jumping off the Crest with or without a hand-glider!!! Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:43:36 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2750 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2753 Turkey is secular, TP. Which shows that your “story” is obviously fake. There have been frequent clashes between extremists and secularists in Turkey, and the government (on the secular side of things) would definitively help out an american; we are important allies. Take your badly-written lies elsewhere. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:54:47 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2753 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2755 I believe you are wrong about Turkish secularism. Yes they are a secular government but so are we but we have God all over the place. They are a predominently led by Muslims period. The Government of Turkey would not help an American with a Muslim issue. You’re the crazy one for thinking otherwise. I would give her all your support as this type of kidnapping is common. HERE IS THE TURKISH HISTORY FROM WIKIPEDIA The region comprising modern Turkey has a long and rich Islamic tradition stretching back to the dawn of the Seljuk period and Ottoman Empire. The country has many historical mosques present throughout the cities and towns, including many in Istanbul. It is the main religion of the Turkish people, where the CIA World factbook states that 99.8% of Turkey’s population are nominally Muslims.1 However, the value that CIA gives is taken by the turkish officials and Turkey never asks its people their religion but it assumes that the people are muslim according to their parent’s origin. Most Muslims in Turkey are Sunnis forming about 70-80%, and Alevis of the Shia-sect form about 20-30% of the Muslim population.2 There is also a Twelver Shia community which forms about 3% of the Muslim population.3 The secularization of Turkey started in the society during the last years of Ottoman Empire and it was the most prominent and most controversial feature of Atatürk’s reforms. Under his leadership, the caliphate—the supreme politico-religious office of Islam, and symbol of the sultan’s claim to world leadership of all Muslims—was abolished. The secular power of the religious authorities and functionaries was reduced and eventually eliminated. The religious foundations were nationalized, and religious education was restricted and for a time prohibited. The influential and popular mystical orders of the dervish brotherhoods (tarika) also were suppressed. Although Turkey was secularized at the official level, religion remained a strong force at the popular level. After 1950 some political leaders tried to benefit from popular attachment to religion by espousing support for programs and policies that appealed to the religiously inclined. Such efforts were opposed by most of the political elite, who believed that secularism was an essential principle of Kemalist Ideology. This disinclination to appreciate religious values and beliefs gradually led to a polarization of society. The polarization became especially evident in the 1980s as a new generation of educated but religiously motivated local leaders emerged to challenge the dominance of the secularized political elite. These new leaders have been assertively proud of Turkey’s Islamic heritage and generally have been successful at adapting familiar religious idioms to describe dissatisfaction with various government policies. By their own example of piety, prayer, and political activism, they have helped to spark a revival of Islamic observance in Turkey. By 1994 slogans promising that a return to Islam would cure economic ills and solve the problems of bureaucratic inefficiencies had enough general appeal to enable avowed religious candidates to win mayoral elections in Istanbul and Ankara, the country’s two largest cities. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:27:40 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2755 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2757 Yes, it is a predominately Muslim country, and yes, like the United States, it is secular but since the majority is one religion that religion is more powerful, and is considered the norm. However, there is one important difference. “[Turks] are predominately led by Muslims” is untrue. Their national leaders are decidedly secular, as stated in the wikipedia article you cited: “Such efforts were opposed by most of the political elite, who believed that secularism was an essential principle of Kemalist Ideology.” Recently, the commander of Turkish military publicly stated that there would be a military coup if a non-secular ruling political party was established in Turkey. Turkey is also considered one of the most moderate islamic-majority states. The political parties based on Islam are very careful to not seem extreme (indeed, most are moderate Islamic), and the idea that “Muslim Law” would supersede the law of the land even under these leaders is laughable. Since Turkey is NOT under the leadership of a religious party, the idea goes from being laughable to just plain dumb. You should change your name to “Jake w preconceived notions and wikipedia” Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:49:41 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2757 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2759 Fasthike, you are so stupid. Go to a bazaar/market in any part of Turkey and you’ll see who runs what. You think they care or know who runs what? Their law is the law and you dare break it. The woman we speak of, TP, has a problem with a Muslim with this set of laws which are different than official government law. It’s been that way for centuries. No American, especially a woman, is not going to make any progress in this country no matter how “Westernized” you think it may be. Just google Turkey like I did and you will see a mosque on every street corner. Prayers blasted from loudspeakers are heard throughout the day. Have a nice day. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:10:51 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2759 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2760 Jake, actually, I know of three decidedly non-muslim women who went to turkey (separately and by themselves) with no problems of the type you describe. They wore their normal clothes, and they reported seeing moderate Islam practiced everywhere. I’m sorry that you are so misinformed, and that you apparently refuse to stop being bigoted. Sucks to be you. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:28:24 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2760 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2768 There are secular USA citizens who engage in domestic violence, and there are Christians who also engage in this character defect. However, the Christian religion, nor any religion I am aware of [other than the Islamic religion] officially supports beating women and treating them as second class citizens. There is no reasonable debate concerning the treatment of females relative to religions, the truth is very well known. Turkey is more westernized and secularized than most Islamic contries. This true. Freedom of religion is a great thing about this country, but I don’t recall any other religions besides the Muslims that routinely declare their hatred for America and their wish for the death of Americans. There is no reason to step over quarters to pick up pennies, if a poisonous snake strikes at you – you get rid of it and you don’t keep it around because all reptiles are not poisonous. Objectivity loses it’s appeal once a subjective threat is identified. Mr. Fasthike, thank you for your comments, those of us who have enjoyed the lobo discourse for quite some time have come to realize that one’s argument and position is lessened as a result of using personal assaults. If you choose to continue to with this behavior I want you to do so with full understanding and knowledge. It’s simply not done ol’ boy. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:52:46 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2768 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2770 Well, no, only Islamic extremists use their religion as an excuse for beating. I’ve already said that I’m against extremism… There are horrible parts of the bible as well. We call people who follow those parts extremists, and the same goes for Muslims. Most Muslims are not extremists. Here in America (and probably also in Australia, Europe, and Israel), we do not see the average Muslim. We see the terrorists and extremists because that’s what makes news. To base your understanding of a religion on the actions of its extremists is dumb. And I’ve read enough of these forums to see that plenty of people call each other dumb and bigoted without their arguments becoming discounted. It is my belief that people who view any religion in such a generalized sense as many of the people in this thread do are bigots. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:41:39 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2770 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2781 Damn Slowhike, they hate you more than they hate me! Awesome! Everytime that they insult your intelligence without providing answers, chalk it up as a point. Also chalk it up when they change the scope of the argument, and for godsakes call them on it. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:54:31 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2781 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2817 Classes “teach non-Muslims fear, hatred.” Can the professors teach about the Nidal Hasan’s rampage of murder at Ft. Hood? He shouted “Allah Akbar” during it too which means his mission was based on ISLAM: “TO KILL THE INFIDELS!” THIS IS DOMESTIC ISLAMIC TERRORISM AND MUST BE TAUGHT IN A CLASS THAT EXPLORES ITS TEACHING. YES WE SHOULD FEAR MUSLIMS AS THEIR ACTIONS AND WORDS TEACH HATRED TOWARD EVERY AMERICAN INCLUDING THEIR OWN!!! Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:14:03 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2817 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2821 Damian, I think that seeing clear straight thinking logic stated calmly and correctly really bugs the haters. Plus living in a reverse discrimination state like New Mexico makes it a real pleasure to state patriotic and capitalistic facts in the face of inferior logic and intellect. It’s a gas. I must say that your posts, chayal’s, phillip’s and a few others are quite good. See ya Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:04:55 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/2821 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3296 I love how you guys say I have inferior logic, and then don’t explain why. Good job having an agree-fest with each other. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:14:11 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3296 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3297 Wow, Fasthike! you are so cool! your logic trumps theirs, because they are illogical! yay! we win! disclaimer: this is a parody Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:15:24 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3297 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3298 Oh, and also how you say “logic and clear straight thinking” (lol @ clear straight thinking) really bugs the haters (I assume myself), but this is untrue. What you’ll see is that logic bugs the really quite stupid posters who write in all caps. I’m fine with logic, and as you saw, I employed logic against the stupid (and obviously fabricated) story about the lady getting her daughter kidnapped. As for “one’s argument and position is lessened as a result of using personal assaults.” I completely agree, if you change the word personal into illogical. Any type of illogical assault on a culture, person, etc. results in a lessened position. You’ll notice that, at least in this thread, the clear majority of posters employing illogical assaults are employing them against Muslims, are basically on your side of the debate. To pretend that you are the minority in this post, that you are the voice of reason speaking calmly against the shouting of illogicality of the opposition, is ridiculous. There are but a few posters who share my position on this thread, and, from what I’ve read, none of them have reduced themselves to the level of some of the idiots on “your” side. As for my calling you a bigot, that’s the result of you saying things that are bigoted, such as “It would be better for all if any and all Muslims in the USA renounced their religion or left the country.” That is bigotry. Saying that all people of a certain cultural group should leave is discrimination. Discrimination, n. The treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination. So keep it logical, not bigoted. And I’ll try to not get too emotional and illogical. Not that it’s been a problem for me so far. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:31:26 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3298 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3301 Islam, non-westernized, praises the attacks against non-believers. It isn’t extreme, it is noble and just, in their view. Therefore your theory of “extremism” is illogical because it is not some small portion of muslims, it is in fact a majority. “Extremeists”, or those that share this same religious vision (endorsing the violent acts, as the perpetrators—would therefore have to consist of millions of muslims. See Wafa Sultan, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali there are also sites to watch translated Al Jazeera broadcasting if you would like to see what their philosophies are about towards the “enemy”. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:44 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3301 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3302 Hey FH, how’s it going buddy? I think yu may have intellect and logic mixed up. I’m not sure but there’s a big difference and it’s important to distinguish between these two. Logic is the ability to determine the correct steps in a process or the correct priorities given a set of agenda items. I could just copy a definition of logic for you but I’d rather just wing it. Intellect or intellectual abilities most often indicate brain power, IQ and measurements of this caliber. Intellect is an extremely valuable comodity, as it logic. Intellect by itself often leads to an egalitarian stance, while logic may escape this group of people. It not beneficial to have a high intellect and think laudable thoughts relative to liberalism and multiculturalism without the ability to put things in perspective. Prioritization of safety as an example over and above political correctness or diversity training. Even all of these are important getting them in the wrong order of priority is catastrophic. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:43:54 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3302 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3305 Damian, I would like to call you out on the stat about most muslims being what we would call extremist. What data do you have on moderate muslims being in the minority, and what gives you the right to generalize and say that “Islam, non-westernized, praises the attacks against non-believers?” Are you the mouthpiece for Islam? I don’t believe what you say is true. For example, in the aftermath of 9/11, the world (including the Islamic part, though obviously not the Taliban) offered condolances. They did not praise the attacks as noble and just. Al Jazeera did not, and condemned them (although it did produce the Osama clip; which is what a news organization should do; report things even if they disagree with the content). Even if you think that these people were lying, that they actually approved, the point is that, even in that case, they had to at least seem to disapprove. If the majority of their populaces approved, this would not be the case. Al Jazeera, especially, would have spoken its mind, seeing as it hasn’t had qualms about doing so in other situations. Slowhike, I don’t really see where you are going with your explanation of int. vs logic, but I can agree with what you say about the distinction. As you probably assumed, I disagree with the assertion about liberalism and multiculturalism, but seeing as that is not the current argument, I’ll leave it at that. Calling the removal of muslims from the U.S. for the good of all (and safety of all, I assume, since you brought it up as more important than diversity and multiculturalism) is not logical. While safety is important, it has its limits. We would all be much safer if we were thrown into a heavily regulated jail, and kept guard over, fed and watered. Instead, we have to find the correct balance between safety and freedom. The freedom of religion is a basic one, sacrificing it for safety does not fit in with the values of the western culture lauded so highly by Damian and yourself. It’s alright with me if you don’t like Muslims. I might like you less, because I would view you as prejudiced, but that would be your choice. However, once you call for the removal of Muslims, you advance your views over the rights of others. This should not happen, and is why your argument is illogical, because it places your views as more important than the rights of others. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:22:28 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3305 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3307 So many of you confuse the actions of Muslims with the religion itself. Check your emotions at the door and learn the difference. Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:23:48 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/3307 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4417 For the sake of not reading this in almost a month is Fasthike still checking? If so, I would like to respond, we can see who retains the “logic”. Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:50:03 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4417 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4418 I do not like religion Fasthike. Thats not to say that I do not love and hold dear many friends and family who embrace religion—I do not like much of what it represents, mysticism over reason. That is especially true of Islam—I am not racist or prejudice against any individual but rather, have a dislike for a mystical philosophies that evade values and reason. Islam commands, with force, the obedience to mysticism over individual rights (and reason). SO please do not weigh in on your ideology of religious moral relativism and then pretend to be a champion of individual rights; claiming both is quite impossible. Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:59:12 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4418 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4493 What? “…please do not weigh in on your ideology of religious moral relativism and then pretend to be a champion of individual rights; claiming both is quite impossible.” Why? Freedom of religion is an individual right. Am I missing what you are trying to say? Because what I’m saying is that everyone has a right to practice whatever religion they want, and to not be discriminated against for it. There are good people and bad people in all religions. Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:31:44 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4493 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4525 I was responding to this “However, once you call for the removal of Muslims, you advance your views over the rights of others. This should not happen, and is why your argument is illogical, because it places your views as more important than the rights of others.” My views hold that you can practice religion but Islam commands obedience and calls out for jihad against the west, because we adhere to equality under the law, whether Islamic, Christian or aethist. Islam asks to destroy this enemy which they are obviously capable of carrying out. This shows a lack of repect for individual rights. Westernized muslims understand individual rights, however, you can go the the website MEMRI.org to view the latest by middle eastern media. If you refuse to believe this, AJB, and want to pretend that Islam is some sort of peaceful practice, then we are done. This is void of understanding of all the culprits behind the recent attacks against the west. Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:50:26 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4525 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4526 “There are good people and bad people in all religions” says it all. What does the core of these philosophies say? What is your overall take on Islam? Do you really know what is going on, or are you going to rationalize some more like you do with Columbus. Will you say that Chisitianity is bad because of acts that happened centuries ago?? Sure it was, centuries ago. Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:23 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/4526 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5526 A man did not attack on Christmas Day, A RELIGION DID! Those Muslims who convert to Christianity ARE KILLED EVEN BY THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS! Christian’s are persecuted around the world by MUSLIMS WHO JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS BASED ON THE KORAN! The symbol and image of Christianity, Jesus Christ, can be placed in a jar of urine and the U.S. government will pay for it and justify this using the Constitution while a joke or cartoon on Islam will cause riots and the U.S. government will be silent on the jokester and cartoonists use of the Constitution too and thereby allowing death threats against them. Why was there an attack on a plane in the United States on Christmas Day? He was directed by Anwar Awlaki who was born in the U.S. and who also studied at New Mexico State in Las Cruces. He told the attacker to make sure he was over the U.S. land. I’m wondering if the Islam Classes will bring this up in their new semester. “NON-MUSLIMS” ALMOST DIED ON CHRISTMAS DAY. “FEAR?” I “FEAR” MANY MUSLIMS IN THESE CLASSES ARE SOWING “HATRED” FOR THE UNITED STATES! Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:47:03 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5526 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5527 “NON-MUSLIMS” ALMOST DIED ON CHRISTMAS DAY. And how many innocent Muslims DID DIE on Christmas Day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Yemen at the hands of the American military? Muslims in these classes aren’t sowing hatred for the US; the US is doing it to itself by constantly jacking with other countries’ people and govt. Why do you think they tried to hit the US and not Europe (e.g. Amsterdam) or Canada? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the US’s past several weeks of bombing the living hell out of Yemen, would it? And what do we base OUR actions on??? Get a grip. Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:01:59 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5527 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5529 In those countries you listed, they kill their own citizens. They are still finding mass graves from Saddam’s reign of terror. In Afghanistan, the Taliban used soccer fields to hang and execute people including women who they brutalized everyday. Who was to save them? In Darfur, UN soldiers are raping girls and they were sent to save them. Many groups wanted Bush to “Stop the Genocide in Darfur.” Saddam was committing genocide too so were there the same groups screaming for Bush to “Stop the Genocide in Iraq?” So by your letter, “WE DESERVED IT?” “The Chickens came home to roost?” Yes we are “constantly jacking with other countries’people and govt.” and that is because when shit happens, they come and cry on our shoulders because we are the only country that gives a damn! “Europe (e.g.Amsterdam) or Canada” surely don’t give a damn. Just look at the funds the U.S. gives to disaster areas around the world compared to other countries. Maybe we should say “to hell with all of you! Burn, starve, freeze! Stop crying on my shoulder. We have our own problems!” 1200 cars were set on fire in France on New Year’s and that is similar to the thousands set on fire only two years ago BY MUSLIMS WHO USE THE FREEDOMS GRANTED BY FRANCE TO CAUSE ANARCHY! French authorities are baffled on what to do since clamping down on these MUSLIMS will cause world outrage BY MUSLIMS so they do what is Politically Correct instead of using the laws of the country! What if they did that here and it was your car or house? I’d be the first on the street looking for the thugs that burned YOUR car! We bombed “the living hell out of Yemen?” Shock an’ Awe? That would mean LARGE BOMBER AIRCRAFT were involved which carpet bombed areas. Did a drone hit some areas? Yemen did send forces to a hotbed of terrorist activity and they reported that two men who directed a planned attack on our embassy, were killed. Where is the link to our “bombing the living hell out of Yemen?” Britain and France also closed their embassies. More closings are probably not reported. Yes, “Many innocent Muslims DID DIE on Christmas Day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Yemen” but IT WAS MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIMS!!!! SORRY THAT NO AMERICANS DIED THAT DAY! Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:02:55 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5529 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5530 In those countries you listed, they kill their own citizens. They are still finding mass graves from Saddam’s reign of terror. In Afghanistan, the Taliban used soccer fields to hang and execute people including women who they brutalized everyday. Who was to save them? In Darfur, UN soldiers are raping girls and they were sent to save them. Many groups wanted Bush to “Stop the Genocide in Darfur.” Saddam was committing genocide too so were there the same groups screaming for Bush to “Stop the Genocide in Iraq?” So by your letter, “WE DESERVED IT?” “The Chickens came home to roost?” Yes we are “constantly jacking with other countries’people and govt.” and that is because when shit happens, they come and cry on our shoulders because we are the only country that gives a damn! “Europe (e.g.Amsterdam) or Canada” surely don’t give a damn. Just look at the funds the U.S. gives to disaster areas around the world compared to other countries. Maybe we should say “to hell with all of you! Burn, starve, freeze! Stop crying on my shoulder. We have our own problems!” 1200 cars were set on fire in France on New Year’s and that is similar to the thousands set on fire only two years ago BY MUSLIMS WHO USE THE FREEDOMS GRANTED BY FRANCE TO CAUSE ANARCHY! French authorities are baffled on what to do since clamping down on these MUSLIMS will cause world outrage BY MUSLIMS so they do what is Politically Correct instead of using the laws of the country! What if they did that here and it was your car or house? I’d be the first on the street looking for the thugs that burned YOUR car! We bombed “the living hell out of Yemen?” Shock an’ Awe? That would mean LARGE BOMBER AIRCRAFT were involved which carpet bombed areas. Did a drone hit some areas? Yemen did send forces to a hotbed of terrorist activity and they reported that two men who directed a planned attack on our embassy, were killed. Where is the link to our “bombing the living hell out of Yemen?” Britain and France also closed their embassies. More closings are probably not reported. Yes, “Many innocent Muslims DID DIE on Christmas Day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Yemen” but IT WAS MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIMS!!!! SORRY THAT NO AMERICANS DIED THAT DAY! Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:02:56 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5530 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5531 The best way to stop the ‘blowback’ of terrorist ‘tactics’ would be to stop ******* around with other nations, leaders, and resources. What is so “Christian” about dropping a bomb from a flying robot drone that kills and beheads innocent men, women, and children? Americans act like smart bombs don’t kill people. What is so “Christian” about torturing and crucifying an innocent 21 year old Taxi Driver named Dilwar in Afghanistan? The USA bombed the **** out of Afghanistan to find the alleged mastermind of the Nine Eleven attacks, Usama Bin Laden. Uh LOL how is that going? The USA bombed the **** out of Iraq because the secular regime of our fomer ally Saddam was allies with our other former ally, the fundamentalist Al Qaeda, oh yeah and they have Weapons of Mass Destruction that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud, except they don’t have any WMD or alliance with Al Qaeda. The **** up in Iraq, the torture, and shredding of the U.S. Constitution destroyed our alliances in this “Global” War on a Tactic, destroyed our moral high ground, and let the Taliban and Al Qaeda become resurgent in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Fing really class job there. “They are still finding mass graves from Saddam’s reign of terror. In Afghanistan, the Taliban used soccer fields to hang and execute people including women who they brutalized.” Our former ally in Iraq, Saddam Hussein was propped up and supported by uh the United States. In Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al Qaeda was propped up and supported by the uh United States. The Cognitive Dissonance of Tea Bagging Christian NEO Conservative Republican Americans is sick. Were Iraqis killed by Blackwater goons killed by Muslims? Afghans Investigate Reports of More Civilian Deaths http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/world/asia/01kabul.html The event followed charges earlier this week by the Afghan government and villagers in Kunar Province that a nighttime raid by international forces last weekend resulted in the deaths of 10 civilians, 8 of them school-age boys. USA! USA! USA! Don’t it make you prouder then shit? The Pictures of War You Aren’t Supposed to See http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_pictures_of_war_you_arent_supposed_to_see_20100104/ The wounded, the crippled and the dead are, in this great charade, swiftly carted off stage. They are war’s refuse. We do not see them. We do not hear them. They are doomed, like wandering spirits, to float around the edges of our consciousness, ignored, even reviled. The message they tell is too painful for us to hear. We prefer to celebrate ourselves and our nation by imbibing the myth of glory, honor, patriotism and heroism, words that in combat become empty and meaningless. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:51:35 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5531 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5532 Slowhike must have posted this letter on Free Republic because all of the anonymous retarded anti Islamic sentiment comes from people who could greatly benefit by taking a Philosophy Course in Critical Thinking, and maybe a Religious Studies class on the 3 monotheistic religions, regards. The prophets, the saints, the angels, and the great holy men of divine wisdom8 are all spoken of in the traditional stories and in other holy books: There is no god other than Allah, and Adam is the pure one of Allah. La ilaha illa Allah Adam Safi Allah. There is no god other than Allah, and Noah is the one saved by Allah. La ilaha illa Allah Nuh Naji Allah. There is no god other than Allah, and Abraham is the friend of Allah. La ilaha illa Allah Ibrahim Khalil Allah. There is no god other than Allah, and Ishmael is the sacrifice of Allah. La ilaha illa Allah Isma’il Dhabih Allah. There is no god other than Allah, and Moses is the one who spoke with Allah. La ilaha illa Allah Musa Kalim Allah. There is no god other than Allah, and David is the prince of His faithful. La ilaha illa Allah Dawud Khalifat Allah. There is no god other than Allah, and Jesus is the soul of Allah. La ilaha illa Allah ‘Isa Ruh Allah. There is no god other than Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. La ilaha illa Allah Muhammad Rasul Allah salla Allah ‘alayhi wa-sallam. Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:56:33 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5532 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5533 Dude, get a grip, stop drinking the kool-aid, and focus. Who the hell cares about what goes on in France? So people recently burned cars there – so the f*** what??? They aren’t asking for our help and we are NOT the world’s policeman! And you know what? We DO have our own problems to deal with! You’re familiar with our economy, unemployment rates, etc? Anyway, you asked where my link is to our bombing the livin hell out of Yemen. Read it and weep, fool: http://www.ufppc.org/ http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story http://www.ufppc.org/ http://cbs3.com/topstories/airstrike.al.qaeda.2.1379383.html Guess what? In that strike, 64 people were killed, including 23 children and 17 women. We got ONE suspected Al-queda member. And the Yemenis know that we are jacking with them and their ggovt. http://www.ufppc.org/ http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/world/middleeast/19yemen.html And here’s what we average on our drone strikes into other countries: the very expensive predator drone strikes are taking out 40 civilians for every intended suspect being targeted. But remember, they hate us for our freedoms! Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:00:52 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5533 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5534 Welcome back from the holidays posters. Sorry I missed the Free Republic thingy PA, clue me in please. Who the hell knows what is really going on with this chaseing the Alqueda all over the middle east. I certainly don’t. Evidently the American Military thinks that we are better off if we attack them in their strong holds. I am unconvinced that if we pulled out that Al queda would stop the terrorist activity. Maybe they would, But I think they’re already too pissed off, and I understand they have long memories and tons of patience. Not at all like us Americans. Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:55:19 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5534 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5535 “The Cognitive Dissonance of Tea Bagging Christian NEO Conservative Republican Americans is sick.” HA! Too funny coming from a flaming asshat like you. If you hate America so much, why are u still here? I’ll tell you why, BECAUSE IT SUCKS EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT’S WHY! You must be a young girl with cheesy illogical thinking like this. Give it up and let the adults sort things out. Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:05:16 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5535 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5536 “IT SUCKS EVERYWHERE ELSE”? Boy, that’s a really ignorant statement. Ever BEEN anywhere else, Ed? No? Then shut the hell up, because you have no idea. For a so-called adult, you have a very childish view of the world, sorry to say. Most cheesy illogical young girls are smarter than that, trust me. And boy, it sure shows how patriotic you are to declare anyone who doesn’t agree with the neo-conservative agenda an ‘America hater’. That’s what this country is all about, huh? Hating your fellow citizens for thinking differently. You’re talking about the vast majority of Americans, after all… So I guess what you’re trying to say is that anyone capable of critical thinking is an America hater? Anyone who doesn’t ascribe to your profoundly ignorant worldview is an America hater? Good luck with that concept, buddy. If you want to know what REAL patriotism means, chew on these words from Capt.Paul K. Chappell, US Army: “To overcome the injustice that still persists, patriotism is a labor of love that requires us to question our government and think critically. As a soldier in the United States Army, I have often pondered what it means to be patriotic, what it means to serve our country and what it means to love America. When I was deployed in Iraq and had a chance to watch American news channels, I heard commentators say that if we question or criticize our government, we do not love America and are being unpatriotic. They believed that patriotism meant waving a flag and being blindly obedient, but this is not what it means to love our country. What does it mean to truly love our country? We can better understand love of country by realizing what it means to love a child. Parents who love their children will try to correct a child caught stealing, abusing people or being dishonest. For parents who do not truly love their children, apathy will cause them not to care, enabling their children to get away with anything. In this same way, if we love our country we will do our best to improve it. We will try to make America a better place for everyone, as courageous citizens have always done.” Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:58:31 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5536 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5538 Oh Edward, God Bless the USA! Happy New Year Slowhike, hope you had a good holiday. Did you support the ‘War’ in Iraq? Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:11:40 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5538 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5539 rounds of fire. They eventually find that this was not his home or base and a family of innocents lived there and were killed in the assault. THAT IS SAD RIGHT? What if the gang member went directly to his home, hid and his family members were there too? The same type of assault took place and his wife and children were killed BUT ARE THEY INNOCENTS? THE GANG MEMBER PUT HIS FAMILY IN DANGER! HIS WIFE MADE THE DECISION TO ALSO PUT HER FAMILY IN DANGER! RS: “the very expensive predator drone strikes are taking out 40 civilians for every intended suspect being targeted.” Were those civilians really innocent bystanders? Were they in a safe house? Did the terrorist strike and then went to go hide behind his wife and children? Our soldiers have to make these type of attack orders every day. Do they order a strike on the home just for the hell of it? They most likely saw a terrorist who attacked something somewhere and then ran into that building or home so they order a strike. After the building is leveled, they then find women and children in the home which the media then takes pictures which are then on every front page newspaper around the world with headlines: “U.S. KILLS INNOCENTS! 64 people were killed, including 23 children and 17 women!” CONTINUING: “We got ONE suspected Al-queda member.” THAT ONE AL-QAEDA MEMBER HAS 64 PEOPLE’S BLOOD ON HIS HANDS FOR PUTTING THEM IN DANGER BY HIDING IN THEIR HOME OR BUILDING! EVEN IF HE WASN’T IN A BUILDING, HE PUT ALL THOSE AROUND HIM IN DANGER BY ATTACKING IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Let’s also do some MATH: 64 is your total number. 23 children PLUS 17 women PLUS one Al-queda(Can’t even spell the enemy?) EQUALS 41. 64 minus 41 EQUALS 23. Who are the 23? INNOCENTS OR COMBATANTS? Why don’t you two admit it. YOU HOPE THEY WIN! YOU HOPE MORE OF YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS DIE BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT! AND YOU WILL EXCUSE ANY TERRORIST ACTION HERE OR ABROAD BECAUSE YOU HATE THE UNITED STATES AND ALL WHAT IT STANDS FOR!!!! CREEPS! “What color is a banana?” it asks to “verify?” PERFECT FOR THE CREEPS I’M TALKING ABOUT: YELLOW COWARDS!!! Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:25:47 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5539 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5540 Harboring….sigh….alright, let’s do this: “THAT ONE AL-QAEDA MEMBER HAS 64 PEOPLE’S BLOOD ON HIS HANDS FOR PUTTING THEM IN DANGER BY HIDING IN THEIR HOME OR BUILDING.” Prove it. Missles and bombs don’t discriminate and blow up SEVERAL buildings/homes/etc. when they detonate. “..PLUS one Al-queda(Can’t even spell the enemy?)” Ah, you’re THAT guy. Good to know. Perhaps you should take up your quibble regarding spelling with Dr. Whitehurst, Emeritus Professor of Management and Economics at Clemson University, Strom Thurmond Institute, and author of “al Queda.” The math is really quite simple and is basically a word problem. 64 is the total number we killed. Minus 23 children and 17 women and 1 al queda member. That leaves 23 men as “collateral damage.” You want to know if they were innocents or combatants, but the answer was already given – the strike killed ONE AL QUEDA. You even mentioned it in your rant. So we can safely assume they were innocents, can’t we? Glad to help. Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:13:46 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5540 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5541 “Western troops accused of executing 10 Afghan civilians, including children” (from the London Times) “American-led troops were accused yesterday of dragging innocent children from their beds and shooting them during a night raid that left ten people dead. Afghan government investigators said that eight schoolchildren were killed, all but one of them from the same family. Locals said that some victims were handcuffed before being killed.” But remember, they hate us for our freedoms! Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:24:21 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5541 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5542 I watched Charlie Wilson’s War the other night, and was totally freaked out by it. What are we doing there? I supported Bush after Nine Eleven, and in the hunt to smoke out Bin Laden. I really was. Bush lost me when he cut and ran into Iraq. I believe that Bin Laden is the dead nemesis of a very bankrupt government. The Audios and Videos of Bin Laden distributed by MEMRI, a Zionist group lack credibility. This whole War on Terror has become very murky. The Tea Baggers are whining and bitching about Obama appeasing the terrorists, and the peace no war crowd is bitching and whining about Obama hunting down terrorists in Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, and Pakistan. Blowback is a bitch! Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:59:21 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5542 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5543 Let’s compare the Soviet war raged in Afghanistan to the current U.S. war. Everyone was the enemy to the Soviets so they carpet bombed whole villages as their Hind cleaned up any who accidentally lived. “COLLATERAL DAMAGE” COMRADE RS??? WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE OF LEGITIMATE KILLS? The U.S. and Israel are the only countries I know of that have, and or used, LASER-GUIDED WEAPONS TO MINIMIZE COLLATERAL DAMAGE and use it on a target that they have deemed a legitimate target due to much evidence. I would hope they are NOT GUESSING and would be pissed if they were! Yes, some of these weapons go astray but he percentage is small and I have heard of apologies and compensation. DID THE SOVIETS DO THAT? Many American Communists were on the side of the Soviets due to their Internationalist duty. Those 80’s followers of the Soviet Union ARE THE LEADERS OF THE UNITED STATES TODAY!!! THEY STILL CLING TO THE IDEA OF A SOCIALIST UTOPIA WHICH THE SOVIETS COULDN’T ACCOMPLISH DUE TO THEIR BACKWARD AND POOR POPULATION WHO STOOD IN LINES FOR HOURS FOR A PIECE OF BREAD AND A PIECE OF PIG FAT AND WHERE EVERYONE WAS EQUAL, EQUALLY POOR! BUT NOW THE AMERICAN COMMUNISTS, AKA SOCIALISTS WHICH ISN’T SO HARSH A WORD, HAVE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD TO REALIZE THEIR UTOPIAN DREAM OF SPREADING THE WEALTH TILL ALL OF US ARE POOR BUT EQUAL!!! WHEN ALL OF US ARE POOR, WHICH COUNTRY WILL HELP US TO FEED OURSELVES AND IN THE TIME OF NEED AFTER A DISASTER? How many countries helped us after Katrina? How many millions did Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr. raise for Indonesia? I think it reached One Billion while the Saudi’s donated TEN MILLION??????? Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:07:16 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5543 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5545 Didn’t the Russian’s level areas in Georgia only two years ago? They were there to save the area but when all was over, there was nothing to save. How many smart weapons did they use? Did they care about collateral damage? Which countries engage in a war and actually care about collateral damage other than the United States and Israel? Their using smart weapons is the most humane, as if war is humane, of any countries in the world. There are also numerous youtube videos of these smart weapons including missiles that have cameras on the end of them as you can watch it hit the target. I haven’t found a video of one that went off course but I’m sure they are those too. Also on these videos is dialouge between several groups of men deciding to, or not to, attack. But what are the tactics of other warring factions who have a great amount of support here at the Lobo and around the world? What is the collateral damage of a suicide bomber? They attack in markets, weddings, funerals, cafes, buses, crowded streets, etc…! What about IED’s which in war are legitimate weapons but do they care about collateral damage? What about car bombs set to go off during times of maximum human activity to kill as many as possible no matter their ideology or religious affiliation including the bombers own religion. And then they have the nerve to call the innocents “martyrs for Allah?” The Christmas Day attack, by a Muslim fighting for his cause of jihad, shows that they don’t care about collateral damage since about three hundred would have died on the plane on top of the numerous others on the ground from plane parts raining from the sky! Yet this sick piece of shit gets a lawyer and is protected by our Constitution? Will he be on a Geraldo type show crying that he was abused as a child? Will he blame it on his schoolmates who bullied him? I’m sure many of his supporters here will think of a better defense that will set him free including using an excuse of misconduct by the lawyers, judge, and jailers! Then after he’s free, he’ll sue the passengers, airlines, and anyone else who he made contact with! He is a piece of shit and so is his cause! Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:54:13 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5545 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5546 DHillard brings up an excellent point, not only do the terrorist not care about collateral damage; collateral damages are their goal! They do, I assume, occasionally fight traditional battles, however, with a bomber, like the undiebomber, collateral damage is definitely their goal. There’s a significant difference here that many a liberal mind will simply skip over due to it being common sense. Another point would be that the USA Military does not recruit grade school children and brain wash them by showing them pictures of grassy slopes, rivers and virgins subsequently telling them that “this is what you get once you blow your self up for Allah”. It’s preposterous to even attempt a comparison. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:54:35 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5546 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5550 I agree with DHillard and Slowhike. We face a really sick and twisted enemy. But we best beware, there’s a brand new fight, you see, And I hate to say we might be our own worst enemy. Afghan war kills three children a day: report http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100107/wl_sthasia_afp/afghanistanunrestchildren_20100107022537 Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:55:34 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5550 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5551 HA! jd, please you were no more an american military man than that fat piece of shit michael moore, your words speak for themselves and everybody who takes the time to wade through that drivel can see that and the fact that you are an america hating piece of shit. case closed. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:43:47 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5551 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5552 DHilliard said: “Which countries engage in a war and actually care about collateral damage other than the United States and Israel? Their using smart weapons is the most humane, as if war is humane, of any countries in the world.” Jesus, it’s hard to believe people actually still ‘think’ this way. Okay, I don’t know what planet you live on but there IS NO HUMANE WAR. The US and Israel SAY they care about ‘collateral damage’ (to use the disgraceful euphemism) but clearly based on factual evidence – not emotional attachments – THEY DO NOT. Firing white phospherous and cluster bombs into crowded civilian areas does not qualify as being humane, nor does firing rockets indiscriminately into homes using drones piloted from thousands of miles away. Only in America and Israel do the brainwashed sheep believe in ‘humane’ wars. All governments lie, especially about their military endeavors. Do I really need to point this out? You don’t believe a word Obama says, yet you believe everything our military leaders say? How stupid is that? How much sense does it make to selectively believe lies? I don’t suppose any of you ‘Gung-ho – kill them all’ bastards have actually BEEN in a war, have you? Do you people even watch the news? FOXNEWS doesn’t count, sorry. How about the HISTORY CHANNEL? Just last week they re-ran INSIDE THE VIETNAM WAR. If you had caught any of that, your myths of the ‘greatness’ of war would have been dispelled immediately…oh, wait, is the History Channel LIBERAL? They provide historical facts, so it must be run by liberals or communists. Never mind. We can pretend that our way of killing is somehow more humane or ‘smart’ all we want, but that doesn’t make it so. If you are one of those morons who think that your country has some kind of moral high-ground in war, then you haven’t studied history, because these are the same lies that have been repeated year after year since Vietnam. Anyone who believes there is ANY morality in killing people is seriously misguided. Shall we list all the “mistakes” we’ve made in the last year in the AFPAK campaign? We have the blood of hundreds if not thousands of innocent people on our hands. That sure doesn’t bother you folks one bit. They’re just smelly, dirty brown people who have no resources we can exploit, so who cares, right? If we could just kill all the liberals, Mexicans and Muslims everything would be fine and it would be a perfect world, huh? Goddam that’s stupid – and very un-Christian, I might add. The United States is a warmongering nation, always has been, and as Americans we tend to have an overblown opinion of ourselves and our place in the world. In general, we assume that we have the right to invade other sovereign nations so that we can spread our unique form of ‘democracy’ to the world – when in fact we attack and subdue other countries for purely economic reasons. We have garrisoned the planet with over 700 bases in over 300 countries. We are the de-facto world police force. Our defense budget is more than the rest of the world’s military budget COMBINED. This is okay with you all? The current generation has only experienced war in their lifetimes – to the point where no one can even imagine what peaceful coexistence with the world might be like. Shameful! The United States is also guilty of supporting some of the most despotic leaders ever to walk this earth, as long as they play ball with the global elite. All in the name of ‘free markets.’ As if forcing countries to open up their markets to the global economy in any way encourages freedom for anyone but the multi-national corporations who are only interested in the bottom line: profit. As much as I like President Obama personally, it has become apparent that his hands are utterly tied regarding the already lost wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (Yemen next), and US military policy in general. Clearly, the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about all those years ago is fully in charge of our government, and they are not about to give up the vice-grip they have on our nation’s purse-strings. How else can one explain the fact that while Obama was elected as a supposed ‘man of peace,’ the Defense budget he approved this year is actually bigger than anything the warmonger Bush proposed during his term? And just last month, the administration refused to join the rest of the civilized world by rejecting an international ban on landmines – because we produce most of them! Killing for profit. Is this really in our country’s best interest? There needs to be some actual debate regarding the untold damage our multi-trillion dollar “defense” budget is having on our economy, not to mention the detrimental affect our permanent war status is having on our soldiers, their families, and the national psyche. The essence of the military-industrial philosophy seems to be that modern wars are not actually meant to be won or lost – they just need to continue. Forever. None of the wars we’ve fought since WW2 were ever meant to be WON. They only serve as an endless cash cow for the weapons producers. Speaking of which, the US is by far the world’s biggest weapons supplier. Nearly 70 percent of international weapons sales are attributed to the United States. It’s virtually the only segment of the US economy that’s healthy. Does it seem odd that our government is supposedly so concerned about our national security when we sell American-made military technology to virtually any country who can afford them, and then complain about how dangerous the world is? Obama just approved a big weapons sale to Yemen this week. How much sense does THAT make? Stupid. How Americans can claim to be a ‘Peace-loving’ nation is beyond me. Those people clearly live in a parallel universe. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:46:35 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5552 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5553 rs, why do you believe the anti-america propaganda? you love it don’t you, can’t wait to pass it around as if it were fact. you losers make me sick. why don’t you just go ahead and convert to islam and join the jihad already and get it over with. theres a jdam with your name on it just waiting. Allez vous faire encler! post knucklehead, why do you losers insist on referring to real americans by that term? if you had gone to the protest and talked to people you would have discovered that the vast majority had never done that sort of thing before and that they are the true middle/working class americans—not all white or racist—and fed up with the crap the political elite are shoving down our collective throats. get a clue or go and joion rs, oh and allez vous faire encler. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:57:27 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5553 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5554 All you whiny little piece of shit lefty losers are laughable. all you do is piss and moan about how awful you think America and Americans are etc, etc, ad nauseum. yet you are still here, safe and sound and living in the last true bastion of secular democracy and individual freedom in the world. your fucking hypocrites and beyond schtoopid. why have you not gone to the enemies side all the way? at least the jihadis have the balls to put put theirs lives on the line for their beliefs. you guys are just whiney little bitches. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:07:40 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5554 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5555 Ed said: “HA! jd, please you were no more an american military man than that fat piece of shit michael moore, your words speak for themselves and everybody who takes the time to wade through that drivel can see that and the fact that you are an america hating piece of shit. case closed.” LOL!!!!! Man, that’s some funny shit. I so enjoy pissing off the hate-mongers! That made my day. Thanks for proving my point. I am not an ‘american military man’ whatever the hell that means…nor will I ever be, but I sure as hell am gonna take the words of someone who actually did his duty and SERVED HIS COUNTRY over the moronic, hateful comments of a worthless drain on society like you. BTW, people who love their country generally capitalize the ‘A’ in America. You must hate America, too. So, according to you, the TEABAGGERS are America-haters, too, then? I wholeheartedly disagree. They are simply execising their rights as citizens to DISAGREE WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT. See how that works? FUCK YOU AND ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS MY LOVE FOR THIS COUNTRY. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:13:41 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5555 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5556 What love for what country? you are confused as well as mentally unstable and semi-literate. your words belie your claim. go ahead, give in to the dark side, go jihadi and get it over with and may you prematurely detonate and take some of them with you, worthless fuck. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:21:48 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5556 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5557 You are just an endless source of comedy, Ed! Thanks again. So, I assume you’ve already served the country you claim to love so much? And BTW, most literate people are capable of using periods and caps properly. Better luck next time. I love you, man. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:27:59 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5557 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5558 HA! too funny. at least i got you to stop with the anti-American garbage. but no, seriously, why have you not gone jihadi. they could use a white guy to try and get through security or attack innocent folk here in the states. come on, grow a pair. do it, do it now. I want you to, and you will feel so much better. and who are you the grammer police? screw that, goes to anal retentivity. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:43:00 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5558 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5559 The > > Aisle Seat> > > Two> > Radical Arab Terrorists boarded a flight out of London.One> took a window seat and the other> sat next to him in the > middle seat… Just before takeoff , a U.S. Marine sat down> in the aisle seat. > After takeoff , the Marine kicked his shoes off , wiggled> his toes and was > settling in when the Arab in the window seat said , ‘I> need to get up and get a > coke.’ ‘Don’t get up , ‘ said the> Marine , ‘I’m in the aisle seat , ‘I’ll > get it for you.’> > > As> > soon as he left , one of the Arabs picked up the Marines> shoe and spat in it. > When the Marine returned with the coke , the other Arab> said , ‘That looks good > , I’d really like one , too.’ Again , the Marine> obligingly went to fetch it. > While he was gone the other Arab picked up the Marines> other shoe and spat in > it. When the Marine returned , they all sat back and> enjoyed the > flight.> > > As> > the plane was landing , the Marine slipped his feet into> his shoes and knew > immediately what had happened. He leaned over and asked his> Arab neighbors… > ‘Why does it have to be this way?’ ‘How long> must this go on? This fighting > between our nations? This hatred? This animosity? This> spitting in shoes and > pissing in cokes?’> > > THE> > FEW. THE PROUD. THE MARINES.> Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:44:49 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5559 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5560 ed said: “rs, why do you believe the anti-america propaganda? you love it don’t you, can’t wait to pass it around as if it were fact.” Damn son, are you saying that while your hands are on your hips and feel almost ready to cry? LOL! We used white phopherous, a prohibited weapon by Geneva standars, against civilian centers in Fallujah – yeah, that’s pretty humane. But we were discussing collateral damage – many posters have excused american “terrorism” in the form of collateral damage from bombing/missles/white phopherous while condemning the same from terrorists, perhaps because it’s more low-tech; i.e. from car bombs. There’s not a significant difference here in that it’s terrorism regardless of the country that is perpetuating it; many a neo-con mind will simply skip over this due to it being obvious. “…the USA Military does not recruit grade school children and brain wash them.” No, but we do this: “American-led troops were accused yesterday of dragging innocent children from their beds and shooting them during a night raid that left ten people dead.” Soviets poster – If the Soviets engaged in large scale collateral damage, does that make it alright for the US to do the same? In any case, that has nothing to do with what we are doing in Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen. Learn to focus on one thing and concept at a time before you respond. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:46:23 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5560 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5561 So you have NOT served your country, nor do you have any intention to do so, is that what we are to assume? Mommy & Daddy paying your way through college, huh? Gonna take over the business when the old man dies? Yeah, you’ve got a good grasp on the real world, there, Ed. Let me throw this back at you: why don’t you sign up to go kill the Jihadists, then, if you’re so impassioned? You seem psychotic enough. GO KILL MUSLIM BABIES!!! I am not the grammar police, but I prefer to use my native language properly. I love the fact that most of the folks who bitterly complain about how all the immigrants are destroying this country can’t even speak or write their OWN language correctly, that’s all. It’s called irony. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:57:03 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5561 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5562 A proud Marine! DUDE! that was too funny. Semper Fi my man. rs: come on now sweetpea why go there on me you jihadi lovin’ peice of shit? why do you care how we took out the tangos in fallujah. jd: look, its been a hoot bitch slappin’ you around a bit, but you aren’t all that amusing or smart for that matter. seen more, done more in more places than you ever will in your whole miserable life. fact. no argument. just fact. now go on and get with sweetpea, join hands and have a yourselves a little pattycake party, nit picky, anal retentive little bitch. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:09:48 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5562 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5563 Edwina, you’re throwing a temper-tantrum. Looks like you need a time-out. JD said: “I am not the grammar police, but I prefer to use my native language properly. I love the fact that most of the folks who bitterly complain about how all the immigrants are destroying this country can’t even speak or write their OWN language correctly, that’s all.” The tea-baggers ha! seem to have the most misspelled signs. In regards to the public health option, one sign from a protester read “No Pubic Option.” That ranks as a classic. Then again, maybe they really meant what their sign stated. If so, that is one lonely protester. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:35:25 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5563 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5564 Did you hear about the UNM professor who went to Saudi Arabia to live with the nomads? The Professor arrives at the camp and is given the tour of the place by an elder who showed him the areas of necessity. “This is the area to use the restroom, please cover with sand after you go please. We eat in this area.” The elder takes the Professor to the one camel and says, “She is for those lonely nights.” The elder takes him to his tent and excuses himself. A week passes and the nomads are around a campfire telling stories when they hear loud noises coming from the Professor’s tent. So the elder walks to the tent and the noises get louder. He opens the flap and the Professor is on a wooden box screwing the camel. The surprised elder says, “You’re supposed to use her to get into town on those lonely nights not to fuck her on your lonely nights!” Which UNM Professor is it? Hard to tell with so many that could fit this description! Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:42:51 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5564 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5565 parting shots rs you jihadi lovin’ piece of shit. seems to me you would know more about that teabaggin’ stuff than the TEA (Tax Enough Already) Party Americans. you ain’t fit to kiss their ass ya putz. you loony lefty loosers are makin’ a big mistake fuckin’ with them, a big mistake. and say didn’t i see your mama therewith her big truck drivin’ ass? Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:55:46 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5565 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5566 At ThreatsWatch.org, Steve Schippert and Clyde Middleton have dug up the bizarre and unsettling issuance of an executive order recently signed by President Barack Obama. Executive Order — Amending Executive Order 12425 [1], signed December 16 and released a day later, grants the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) rights on American soil that place it beyond the reach of our own law enforcement agencies, such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Schippert and Middleton note [2] that Obama’s order removes protections placed upon INTERPOL by President Reagan in 1983. Obama’s order gives the group the authority to avoid Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests — which means this foreign law enforcement organization can operate free of an important safeguard against governmental abuse. “Property and assets,” including the organization’s records, cannot be searched or seized. Their physical locations and records are now immune from U.S. legal or investigative authorities. If the president of the United States has an aboveboard reason for making a foreign law enforcement agency exempt from American laws on American soil, it wasn’t shared by the White House. Andy McCarthy, former assistant United States attorney for the Southern District of New York and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, notes at National Review [3] that the limitations that Obama removed are “what prevents law-enforcement and its controlling government authority from becoming tyrannical.” A paragraph later, McCarthy describes Obama’s actions in the starkest of terms: “This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.” Some bloggers covering this story are noting that the law enforcement agency to which Obama has extended such extraordinary powers to has had a dismal past.INTERPOL’s senior leadership was flush with Nazis [4] from the late 1930s all the way into the 1970s. That fact allowed, going Godwin [5] isn’t necessarily relevant to today’s organization. Khoo Boon Hui of Singapore is the current president of the organization, and the current secretary general is American Ronald Noble. Noble is perhaps best known in America for overseeing the Treasury Department’s review of the disastrous 1993 raid and siege of a Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, that left nearly 80 people dead. Noble had cautioned against the initial raid plan as being too dangerous, but the lack of any significant ramifications for federal officials that approved of the raid and allegations of a cover-up have inspired conspiracy theorists [6] to derisively dub Noble “the Enforcer.” But INTERPOL’s past isn’t what concerns us at this moment. Its current actions and the actions of our president are those that we question. With the flourish of a pen and no warning at all, Barack Obama surrendered American sovereignty to an international force with a checkered past. To what end? The consensus opinion among those commenting on this development is that the most radical president in American history seems to be intent on submitting American citizens to the whims of the International Criminal Court (ICC). Previous administrations have been very leery of signing onto agreements that would make citizens susceptible to the ICC, due to the possibility that U.S. servicemen could be dragged into show war crimes trials. Such events are obviously heavily politicized, and demands for war crimes arrests can come from any government, even those that sponsor terrorism or genocide themselves. No finer point can be made about the endemic problems of the INTERPOL/ICC than that made by a recent diplomatic incident [7] that erupted in Great Britain, where an Israeli government official had to cancel travel plans to England because of an arrest warrant issued by an English judge — because of Iranian charges of Israeli war crimes in Gaza. The brief but intense conflict was one Iran helped instigate, as the Persians supplied the terrorists in Gaza with the rockets they used against Israeli civilians, triggering an inevitable Israeli response. If President Obama and his radical allies in the Democratic leadership have their way, American soldiers could presumably be brought up on charges as war criminals by enemy nations and marked for arrest and deportation by an international police force on American soil. They would face charges in a foreign land without the constitutional protections they fought and bled to protect. The White House seems to be on the bewildering path of giving al-Qaeda terrorists who murder innocent women and children more legal protection than the very soldiers that risk their lives trying to bring terrorists to justice. The asinine court-martial charges being brought against three Navy SEALs based upon the word of a terrorist they captured suddenly make a sickening kind of sense [8]. It also stands to reason that Obama’s seeming willingness to put American soldiers’ lives in the hands of a corrupt international community could also be brought to bear against his political enemies. Foreign investigators of dubious intent, and our own left-wing extremists, have long branded officials of the previous administration “war criminals” for actions they’d taken in the war on terror. It is entirely conceivable — perhaps even likely — that these same organizations and enemy governments that went after 25 Israeli government officials [9] through INTERPOL and the ICC would quickly move to indict a wish list of current and former U.S. government officials for alleged “war crimes.” Former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney would obviously be at the top of such a list of politically motivated suspects, but such a list could just as easily include General David Petraeus, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, congressmen, and senators. As the Iranian gambit has shown, Obama’s bizarre assault on U.S. sovereignty could have disastrous repercussions. We can only hope that his fetish for weakening this nation can be stopped before American politicians and servicemen are made pawns by our enemies. [1] Executive Order — Amending Executive Order 12425: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425 [2] Schippert and Middleton note: http://threatswatch.org/analysis/2009/12/print/wither_sovereignty/ [3] notes at National Review: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY= [4] flush with Nazis: http://noisyroom.net/blog/2009/12/22/of-executive-orders-and-trojan-horses/ [5] Godwin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law [6] conspiracy theorists: http://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/waco-seige-enforcer-ronald-noble-will-rule-over-global-police-force/ [7] recent diplomatic incident: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/15/tzipi-livni-arrest-warrant-israeli [8] sickening kind of sense: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html [9] 25 Israeli government officials: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1070021.html Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:10:51 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5566 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5567 CodePink serves a useful function in American politics: If you want to know what the sensible political position is on any topic, just look at what CodePink opposes and that’s what you should support. It operates as a sort of all-purpose antipodal political indicator, invariably occupying the point exactly opposite the sweet spot on the political sphere. It is therefore noteworthy that over the last couple of months CodePink has turned its rosy attentions to something unexpected: drones. Not the stingless little honeybee kind of drones, but the pilotless aircraft the military uses — and these can carry quite a nasty sting indeed. Though it has received very little (if any) attention from the media, since November CodePink has waged an all-out anti-drone campaign, embarking on protest caravans to drone control centers, staging hunger strikes outside Creech Air Force Base in the Nevada desert from which many drones are remotely piloted, and hanging anti-drone banners off freeway overpasses in Berkeley and elsewhere. And in one way CodePink’s assessment is correct: The U.S. military has indeed taken to using drones with ever greater frequency — and efficacy. Just this week, two American drones attacked and killed 13 Islamic militants in Pakistan, possibly in retaliation for the suicide bomber who killed several CIA agents in Afghanistan last week. Of course when I say the drones “attacked and killed” the militants, it wasn’t really the drones doing it autonomously; an Air Force pilot was undoubtedly controlling each drone, with our military command structure giving the go-ahead for each strike. The drones are just the weapon; it’s still people who are pulling the trigger. And this recent attack is no fluke — exactly as CodePink fears, the military is amping up its development and use of drones. As reported here at the Belmont Club and at Wired, the Air Force has recently completed development of and has possibly already started deploying a tiny drone that’s straight out of a futuristic novel: The Air Force Research Laboratory set out in 2008 to build the ultimate assassination robot: a tiny, armed drone for U.S. special forces to employ in terminating “high-value targets.” The military won’t say exactly what happened to this Project Anubis, named after a jackal-headed god of the dead in Egyptian mythology. But military budget documents note that Air Force engineers were successful in “develop[ing] a Micro-Air Vehicle (MAV) with innovative seeker/tracking sensor algorithms that can engage maneuvering high-value targets.” …………………………………………… “Special Forces already make extensive use of the Wasp drone made by AeroVironment. This is the smallest drone in service, weighing less than a pound. It has an endurance of around 45 minutes, and line-of-sight control extends to 3 miles. It might seem limited compared to larger craft, but the Wasp excels at close-in reconnaissance. Its quiet electric motor means it can get near to targets without their ever being aware of its presence. The Air Force’s 2008 budget plans described the planned Project Anubis as “a small UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] that carries sensors, data links, and a munitions payload to engage time-sensitive fleeting targets in complex environments.” It noted that after it was developed by the Air Force Research Laboratory, Anubis would be used by Air Force Special Operations Command. The total cost was to be just over half a million dollars. No official announcements have been made since then, and the Air Force did not return a request to comment on this story (hardly surprising for a weapon so likely to be used covertly). But the current Air Force R&D budget does mention the effort, briefly. This newer document refers to Project Anubis as a development that has already been carried out. According to the budget, $1.75 million was spent to reach the goal. The current state of Project Anubis is unknown. It could be one of tens of thousands of military research efforts that started, made some progress and ended without a conclusion. Or Anubis could now be in the hands of Air Force Special Operations Command.” …………………………………………… Currently, most if not all drones are controlled by pilots safely ensconced in bases on the other side of the world, but one can easily visualize the day not far in the future when each soldier or Marine deployed in a hostile environment will have a MAV (micro-drone) kit included as part of his or her standard-issue equipment for deployment in the field. Instead of lobbing mortars at random in the general direction of enemy positions, or firing blindly, soldiers could launch MAVs and control them in the field, targeting and taking out enemy positions with unerring accuracy — at no risk to our side. So what, pray tell, is CodePink so upset about? The ever-smaller and ever-more-accurate new drones not only eliminate risk for U.S. forces, but they also prevent any accidental “collateral damage” on the battlefield — something which one would think would be good news to the anti-war crowd. In fact, that’s the whole reason these drones exist: So we can carefully target just the bad guys and leave innocent bystanders unharmed. Isn’t that commendable? No. CodePink is not satisfied. Their anti-drone manifesto declares: We urge everyone who cares about protecting human life and the future of this planet to seriously consider how many hours a day you are willing and able to dedicate to this campaign to GROUND the DRONES. We can NOT ignore these exponentially growing weaponry terrorizing people around the world from their bright blue skies. We MUST end this violence against all life, this violence perpetuated by our military in our name. We must NOT tolerate this another moment. All of our weapons of war are heinous and insufferable for any and all human beings. DRONES are not merely the newest horror: DRONES are the most egregious component of recent war ‘toys’ and should incite public furor comparable to initial reactions against nuclear bombs. DRONES are unmanned aircraft that are remotely controlled by U.S. soldiers sitting at a computer console in Nevada or New York, operating a joy stick and pushing buttons that direct the DRONE to spy and kill thousands of miles away in someone else’s country. Some DRONES are armed with bombs; some “only” spy. Companies are racing to make DRONES that can drop biological and chemical weapons; utilize nuclear, lazar, microwave weapons. Some fit into the palm of your hand; others are so big they fit into an airplane hanger on an angle. Some can be programmed to fly on their own; others are controlled by the soldier in this country while they are killing in another country. It seems that the basis of CodePink’s antipathy toward drones as a concept is precisely the very fact that they are so efficient and accurate. Setting aside the laughable hyperbole about “biological, chemical, nuclear, and lazar” weapons launched by drones, CodePink is pissed off because no U.S. troops are endangered by the operation of drones. One might reasonably assume from this that CodePink — and the innumerable leftist groups who echo CodePink’s positions — wants U.S troops to die. But I take a more charitable view. I think CodePink and their ilk believe in the theory once expounded so convincingly on an old Star Trek episode: That if you make war bloodless and antiseptic, then the public will shrug its shoulders and allow wars to continue forever; but if you bring home the horror of war by purposely ensuring that it remains brutal, horrific and random, then mankind will rise up and banish war forever. A peacenik’s wet dream. But the continued development of drones and other high-precision remote-controlled weaponry raises a conundrum that perhaps hasn’t occurred to the CodePinkers yet: If war evolves to become completely surgical, with essentially no casualties on our side and minimal civilian casualties in the battle zone; and if only the bad guys get killed and no one else; then what’s so horrific about this new kind of war at all? Why does it need to be banished along with our memories of trench warfare and hand-to-hand combat? I propose to CodePink and their fellow travelers that drones and similar weapons are exactly the solution you’ve been looking for: a way to banish bloody warfare forever. Imagine sitting in at an anti-war meeting during WWI or the Vietnam War, and someone says: “Wouldn’t it be wonderful if in the future, instead of having massive campaigns with tanks and guns and battleships and bombers and dead soldiers and massacred civilians and entire generations lost to violence, we could simply press a button that would kill only the warmongers automatically, thereby preventing even the need for a full-scale war in the first place?” The room would erupt in cheers. Well, that’s exactly what drones do. Someone sitting safely at an Air Force base in Nevada presses a button and it launches a missile from a drone which takes out an al-Qaeda leader or a Taliban chieftain — the very warmongers who are causing the problem and the very ones who declared war on us. Shouldn’t CodePink therefore be protesting in favor of drones? That would make more sense. Then again, antipodal political indicators that they are, CodePink naturally does the exact inverse of the sensible thing, even when by so doing they negate their own goals. But I’ll take my cue from them and from here on out become a pro-drone activist. It’s the least I can do for our soldiers and for civilians around the globe. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:31:07 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5567 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5568 Actually I have been to tea bag events and have found more intelligent individuals than one may think. Granted, there are some idiots, as there were at anti-war protests, but at least a majority understand the need for liberty over tyranny. Anyone who attempts to mock, or make fun of, tea bagging patriots are very simple minded. What fool really supports the tyranny of government, the trampling of individual rights, and the absurdities of socialized systems? Are you blind sheep to your Huffington and Moveon websites? Have you not your own sense of individualism-that ideology which is supported by tea party patriots? Do you share the same fear as those websites authors? To see the arrogance of the get raped by the intelligence of the right, take the Chris Matthews (MSNBC’s Hardball) attempt to make one of the tea-baggers look like a fool for arming himself at one of the events…well, Matthews realized throughout his interview how stupid he began to look. It can be found on youtube. The left has quite a losing agenda, its just too bad that they need the government to force it on the intelligent indivduals who understand its faults. Nobody really wants their losing agenda, thats why they need to lie and sneak around the truth to get individuals elected, then enact unpopular laws. Pathetic indeed. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:56:16 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5568 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5570 Google: Codepink Fallujah $600,000. Below is just a portion of a series of links to Code Pink’s aiding and abetting the enemy. Soon after this TREASONOUS ACT, our soldiers had to enter this hotbed of terrorism. DID ANY OF THE FUNDS GIVEN BY CODE PINK MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE TERRORISTS WHO THEN PURCHASED THE ARMS THAT KILLED AND MAIMED ANY OF OUR SOLDIERS? YOU DAMN RIGHT!!! ALSO AIDING THIS RED GROUP WERE REDS THEMSELVES: UNITED FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE LED BY LESLIE CAGAN AND JUDITH LEBLANC OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY USA! THESE LADIES, UNLIKE JANE FONDA, AID EVERY ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES! GO TO UFPJ.ORG AND YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY CONNECTION TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY WHICH MEANS THEY ARE DECEIVING ALL WHO TRULY BELIEVE IN PEACE. You can also find in a google search: CPUSA in Solidarity with Iraq Communist Party. FUCKING TRAITORS AND REAL PIECES OF SHIT!!! “American citizen Medea Benjamin, a leader of the anti-American group Code Pink, announced in Amman, Jordan this week that Code Pink, it’s parent group Global Exchange and Families for Peace have donated $600,000 in aid to the ‘other side’ in the terrorist haven city of Fallujah in Iraq. This news, which has been ignored by the media worldwide, was reported by Agence France Press but was picked up by only two small news outlets: “I don’t know of any other case in history in which the parents of fallen soldiers collected medicine … for the families of the ‘other side’,” said Medea Benjamin, the founding director of Global Exchange, a human rights group. “It is a reflection of a growing movement in the United States … opposed to the unjust nature of this war,” she said. “This is the positive face of the American people which we would like to show … so that we are not looked at with animosity but with love. Our hearts go out to the people of Fallujah and to all the Iraqi people,” she said. Medea Benjamin and those working with her, opposed the liberation of the people of Iraq from the brutal reign of Saddam Hussein. They call themselves human rights activists, yet they support the worst human rights violators in the world from Fidel Castro to the terrorists in Fallujah. With American troops in harm’s way in Fallujah, Medea Benjamin’s proud admission that she and her cohorts are giving aid to the ‘other side’ should be grounds for her arrest for treason. Code Pink along with their anti-American friends International ANSWER—whose leader Ramsey Clark is one of Saddam Hussein’s defense lawyers—will be protesting President Bush at his Inaugural Parade on January 20, using permits issued by the U.S. government.” Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:26:46 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5570 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5571 Some of the better tea-bagger signs (the 2nd link says a lot about the group as a whole and the group’s members): http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_political/3983339.html#cutid1 http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/01/04/photo-shows-top-tea-bagger-holding-sign-with-n-word-which-he-misspelled/ http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×6613597 Gotta love the “don’t steal from medicare to support socialized medicine” sign. Freaking idiots. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:30:32 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5571 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5572 Thanks for the links, RS! Hilarious! Funny how they claim to be part of some kind of popular movement when all I see are fat white people…really dumb fat white people. Kinda makes ya think. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:50:30 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5572 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5573 “fat white people…really dumb fat white people.” Can you imagine the outrage if instead of “white” JD put “black” or “brown?” Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be protesting in front of the Daily Lobo demanding the FBI check their computer services to find the poster. What if at the Million Man March someone described the attendees as “dumb fat black people?” Would that person be a racist? Sure they would! But Whites have a reason to mad at all the racism against them regarding all the groups that are labeled as Black or Hispanic but if a White group labeled themselves as a “White” group, many would call them an arm of the KKK! Any group that labels themselves by the color of their skin, are racists! Be careful JD because you never know who you are saying this type of language to since they could use it against you! By saying such comments, it shows your hatred and mental instability. I agree with many of your posts that use logic and facts but you have crossed the line on this one. Since we don’t know who you are, can you apologize which will help you as much as anyone you hurt? Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:40:09 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5573 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5574 We all know what kind of cloth JD and friends are cut from. There is no reason to banter back and forth with this kind. “They speak with Forked Tongue”, as my favorite old Native American Movie Stars used to say; “And we do not hear their words”. Common sense escapes many liberals, and I become more and more convinced of this at every turn. It is encouraging or at least validating to finally see NBC and ABC give the White House some push back- finally they are seeing what has been stark to the conservatives. Obama was never equipped for president, which doesn’t mean that if he “gets tough” all of the sudden he’s “got what it takes”. He does not. He may speak as though he has the sophistication to run internal and international affairs, however more and more are realizing the mistake we made electing him. His administration is as incompetent as he is, and they know, I know it, and many of you are beginning to realize that these guys are “Actors” (and spenders) and not “Doers” (if there is such a word). All they are equipped to do is put up an amazing front. They look incredibly good! [and] They sound incredibly good. The problem is they are incredibly bad at implementing, initiating, accomplishing and sustaining any real outcome; other than to move toward socialization. I will give them that, they do all move in this one direction rather well. Common Sense- We cannot protect and preserve our own people, and our own interest when the cards we are dealt come down to an “us or them” hand. It just doesn’t work out that way. Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:21:33 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5574 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5575 Obama sounded better tonight in his live broadcast than he usually does, however, it was mostly googledigook meaningless baloney about how we are going to beef up this intelligence, raise this criteria, hold this agency accountable to that agency for connecting the dots to one another and bla bla bla. We can’t beat these animals with grand sounding verbatim analysis and pompous orations. Wont do it folks. How disappointing. Do any of you bleeding heart pansies think that Hezbolla or Al queda, or any other jihadist group is afraid of Obama’s plan? Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:04:22 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5575 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5576 To anyone who claims I am a racist, considering the blatantly racist comments made by the likes of many un-named posters on this site – you’re barking up the wrong tree, buddy. Mr. Slowhike has stated that all Muslims should either convert to Christianity or leave the country, and worse. Or how about the many virulently racist postings regarding Mexicans and immigrants (too many to list here)? Oh, I guess since white people made those comments, they can’t be racist, though, huh? We all know that only white people are qualified to determine what racism is anyomre, since the only racism that still exists in this country is reverse racism against whites… STUPID. Goddam I hate hypocrites. If the links had shown dumb black people I would have written that. I am comfortable dealing with all races and creeds and I don’t need some little white trash wuss-puss to accuse me of anything. JD a RACIST is really grasping for straws to show his pretend concern for political correctness at this point. The pictures showed white people. I commented on it. Sorry if I offended the white-trash faction. Hah, not really. You all should be ashamed to be associated with the people shown on the link instead of attacking me for pointing out the obvious. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:14:16 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5576 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5578 JD you made a racist comment “fat White people” and then you tried in vain to justify your comments! Sounds like a typical Leftist to me! You also had to add “fat” which adds to your psychological illness! You make yourself to be so observant that you got all this info from a photo? Do you enter restaurants and see the color of skin before you sit down to eat? Do you notice color at movies? Do you watch cars go by, while riding your bike of course, and label color to the cars they drive? Do you judge your professor and classmates by color too and if there is not a mixed blend, you drop the class? Mr. Perfect is a stud for sure! Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:28:50 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5578 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5579 Boy, you white folks can dish it out but you sure as hell can’t take it… Too bad. I would suggest that maybe now you can have some compassion for those who are the REAL victims of racism in this country, but since neo-cons suffer from such profound cognitive dissonance there really isn’t any point. Since I am a mixed race man myself, yes, I notice skin color everywhere I go…and I am always glad to see diversity. Again, don’t pretend that somehow now you are concerned about political correctness just because (God forbid!) white people were slighted for once. You can cram your ‘Holier-than-thou’ attitude. If this is your first experience dealing with racsim as a white person consider yourself lucky. Others have to deal with it on a daily basis. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:29:22 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5579 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5580 Oh but most of those idiotic signs are produced by left wing activists. Here’s the trick…produce an idiotic sign, pretend to be a tea-bagger, go to a TV camera, or where they are stationed and hold up the sign. One great example is the LaRouche PAC Obama as Hitler signs…produced by a left wing activist-it says LaRouche PAC ON THE SIGN!!! Did the right have to stoop to this sort of low at the anti-war rallies…hardly. The left has essentially little integrity and little principle in most cases. The ends always justifies the means, right? Fools… To bad the Tea Party is only gaining steam and will continue to be a growing force in the real change of this country. One of individual rights and liberty. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:03:20 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5580 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5581 Did any of you actually go to the links RS sent? There are many pictures, not just one – and I vote as the most idiotic the sign which reads: NO PUBIC OPTION! Classic. So Damian, are you saying that the morons depicted in the links are agent provocateurs PRETENDING to be dumb white trash, just to make the TEABAGGERS look bad? That’s pretty spurious, to say the least…and laughable. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:23:38 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5581 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5583 HA! jd you scum-sucking piece of shit, you still around? talkin’ bout mixed blood. what? chihuahua and rat beagle? make that step to the jihadi side you unamerican fuckwit, do it, do it now! hell i’ll take up a collection to pay your one way trip to raghead land. piece of shit. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:31:33 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5583 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5584 No, I’m saying that you are dumb for assuming that the tea-party movement is consisting mainly of white trash. Do you dislike poor people? Or do you blindly regurgitate what you read without any thinking about it. LaRouche PAC is one of many examples of people attempting to taint these protests. Why? Because the leftists are good at getting their little sheep to follow…to make them assume that gathering for these things is wrong. Then, as you have clearly displayed your misundertanding, you blindly comply..no real mind of your own, just letting websites do your thinking for you. What message from the tea-party movement do you disagree with? Or do you make judgements about these based solely upon those who are involved? The tea-party movement has been blatently mischaracterized by the leftist leaders. They know how to get their sheep in line by lying to them because they know their sheep will not question their so-called intellectual superiority. i.e. “white-trash”. Another example, many people correlate tea-party partriots with republicans, when republicans were initially forbidden to speak at most of their gatherings. The tea-party movement is tired of the recklessness of government, thats under Bush or Obama. Just because they did not gather during the Bush years does not mean that they were already fed up well prior to Obama getting elected. You see, there is more to it than republicans versus democrats. It is liberty versus tyranny and you should consider joining our revolution rather than continue to try to make yourself look foolish with silly smear attempts rather than formidable (and knowledgable) discussion. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:32:13 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5584 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5585 Ed said: “HA! jd you scum-sucking piece of shit, you still around? talkin’ bout mixed blood. what? chihuahua and rat beagle? make that step to the jihadi side you unamerican fuckwit, do it, do it now! hell i’ll take up a collection to pay your one way trip to raghead land. piece of shit.” My what an intelligent and persuasive argument! So inspiring and uplifting. And what a great message, too. And of course I know your comments above aren’t in any way meant to be RACIST… In any case, it’s been my pleasure making you look like a jackass. Maybe next time you could actually present some sort of coherent argument to back up whatever the hell it is you believe. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:38:42 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5585 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5586 So Damian, according to you there is a vast left-wing conspiracy to make the tea-baggers look like hillbillies? Left-wingers are taking the time to CREATE these idiotic signs, GO to these hillbilly rallies, SHOW their sign to a camera and HOPE that is shows up somewhere in the news or online? This includes left-wingers purposefully placing misspelled words on the back of the shirts KNOWING that somewhere, at sometime, someone would photograph it and use it to dicredit the group? Additionally, left-wingers are posing as tea-baggers at these rallies during camera interviews and INTENTIONALLY coming off as trailer-trash to durther the deception? (e.g. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a3b_1252966753) Brilliant. Your intellect is truly astounding. “Just because they did not gather during the Bush years does not mean that they were already fed up” Actually, it does. They had 8 years. What the hell does it take? Oh, wait….a black president. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:46:42 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5586 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5587 RS, your level of intellectual discourse is elementary indeed. I never claimed any “vast-left wing conspiracy”. Your straw-man attempt here is feeble at best. And I provided a specific example for how the left is intentionally attempting to smear the tea party patriots—which you refuse to acknowledge. And since you are obviously not intellectually capable of debating the topics about the tea-party movement, with a tea-party patriot, it brings my understanding of your capability to a LOWER level than those “hillbillies” that you attempt to marginalize. So, how does that feel? You are obviously incapable of holding a debate with a “hillbilly”. You just go on with your rhetoric child, or whatever is less intelligent than a “hillbilly”… I’ll be waiting. For the record, the tea-party movement has nothing to do with having a “black president”—that’s quite naive to assume so since there is not a shred of evidence showing this. Interesting that your leftist leaders (i.e. movie actress Janeane Garafalo) cheat your intellectual capacity by feeding you such stupidity and you grasp on to it so readily. It speaks volumes about your personality and your shallow view of other people. You are a sheep that needs to be lead. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:32:06 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5587 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5588 Diversity is an acceptable condition as long as all the different diverse ethnicities and races practice allegiance to the USA. A non-radicalized society can achieve a degree of unity only through a common culture, i.e. American Capitalism and Patriotism. Periods of heavy immigration of a wide variation of races and ethnic groups can produce evolution as long as the preserve the essential nature of the culture. Assimilating many people from diverse races is difficult but doable, as our history well documents. What makes it difficult is mixing in large doses of radical liberalism and political attempts to fracture our culture. This fractureing does not result from immigration, it results from an ideology and spawns individuals like RS and JD as an example. From the beginning our fore fathers knew it was important to have one unified culture. Individuals who would deliberately destroy our culture are my enemies; these are what the Post American meant in his post when he said one of biggest threats are the “enemies from within”. The USA now faces the dilemma of how many different cultures we can accomodate. We must preserve our national identity through aculturation and assimilation. This is a great country and I vote to keep it. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:43:04 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5588 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5589 Black has nothing to do with it. Most of our heroes are Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Magic, Too Tall Jones for us old folks, Willie Mays and Hank Aaron, both of whom never took steroids! I’d cheer for them anytime or of any color! It’s the “Communist” part of the President most people don’t like. He surrounded himself with real Communists all his life and that continues today but many are Closet Communists who are living a lie. If a man is gay but is the closet, he is still a gay who is living a lie but today there are coming out parties including at UNM. Barack Obama is a closet Communist plain and simple and more and more people are reading his real history of “activism” and connections like to Sal Alinsky, Frank Marshall Davis, and many others. All you have to do is google: Barack Obama Communist and you will find all kinds of evidence that the Tea Baggers are trying to expose. Many of the anti-war protestors are led by professionals who have been protesting since the Vietnam War. This movement was led by Communist Party USA member Michael Myerson who visited Vietnam in 1962 and became the honorary nephew to Ho Chi Minh so who do you think he sided with when the Vietnam War started? The Communist Party USA, with the help of the Soviet KGB, led the “U.S. Out of Vietnam” movement for obvious reasons. His peace movement took credit for ending the Vietnam War by duping and fooling many Americans who turned out to be braindead acid freaks who later became university professors. In 1979, the Communist Sandinistas took over Nicaragua and Michael Myerson, leader of the Vietnam movement, and the Soviet KGB, teamed up to dupe more Americans into screaming “U.S. Out of Central America” with the goal of taking over the area. Myerson then started the United States Peace Council which was an affiliate of the World Peace Council run by the Soviet KGB who started the group in 1949. They obvious used “peace” to fool the world and our American Communists aided them. There was even a New Mexico Peace Council led by the same man who headed the NM Marxist Educators for Socialist Action and a UNM Peace Council. At a Marxist meeting, their guest speaker, George Meyers, Chairman of the Labor Department of CPUSA, advocated on UNM grounds, the “overthrow of the United States through force if necessary!” This is important in the history of the peace movement since BARACK OBAMA was an activist for Communist-front organizations at Columbia University. Proof? Google Barack Obama Sundial 1983. He wrote this article so these are his own words and not mine or anyone else. Obama was directly brainwashed by groups with DIRECT connections to the Soviet KGB! Google World Peace Council KGB. You can also add John Kerry, a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE and a real Closet Communist! The Dems stacked the deck, nationally and locally, with Closet Communists including Martin Heinrich and Tom Udall. Obama had the number one Liberal voting record in the Senate. Hillary was second and Biden was third. Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed and openly a Socialist who gives main addresses at Communist Party USA annual conventions, IS FOURTH. So Obama is more radical than a real Socialist/Communist? In the 80’s, Hillary Clinton gave $15,000 to the Communist FMLN rebel group in El Salvador. Many “peace” groups, directed by the CPUSA and the KGB, raised funds for these terrorists! In the early 90’s, after the fall of the Communist Sandinistas in Nicaragua, the Communist FMLN signed a peace agreement. IN 2009, THE FMLN WON THE PRESIDENCY IN EL SALVADOR, with the help of Hugo Chavez. HILLARY CLINTON was the high ranking U.S. official at the inauguration. She Obama, the CPUSA, KGB, finally realized a decades old dream. The more evidence exposed about Obama and Hillary, among hundreds of their comrades now in control of all levels of the government, the more people will take to the streets so it only stands to reason that they would march with others who are learning the truth. They are not professionals, or led by professionals. They are not led by the Soviet KGB or Cuban DGI or do they get funds from Hugo Chavez! So it stands to reason that they are attacked by dupes that can be traced directly to the KGB. (The KGB changed its name to FSB but they’re the same since KGB Putin still runs the place and our Communists still take orders from him. It’s their Internationalist duty!) Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:50:32 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5589 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5590 This thread has gone off the track! Is it too much to ask (Pinkers are REDS! Closet Communist President! Zombie! Bob Owens!) don’t cut N paste N plagiarize entire articles from World Net Daily. Just post a link! Ed’s following comments prove he is unable to think critically and seems like kind of a re-tard! pathetic. “FUCKING TRAITORS AND REAL PIECES OF SHIT!!!” “you jihadi lovin’ piece of shit. seems to me you would know more about that teabaggin’ stuff than the TEA (Tax Enough Already) Party Americans. you ain’t fit to kiss their ass ya putz. you loony lefty loosers are makin’ a big mistake fuckin’ with them, a big mistake. and say didn’t i see your mama therewith her big truck drivin’ ass?” “why go there on me you jihadi lovin’ peice of shit? why do you care how we took out the tangos in fallujah.” a’give in to the dark side, go jihadi and get it over with and may you prematurely detonate and take some of them with you, worthless fuck.” “you scum-sucking piece of shit, you still around? talkin’ bout mixed blood. what? chihuahua and rat beagle? make that step to the jihadi side you unamerican fuckwit, do it, do it now! hell i’ll take up a collection to pay your one way trip to raghead land. piece of shit.” “your fucking hypocrites and beyond schtoopid. why have you not gone to the enemies side all the way? at least the jihadis have the balls to put put theirs lives on the line for their beliefs. you guys are just whiney little bitches. “you are an america hating piece of shit. case closed.” It’s not my fault the T-baggers gave themselves a gay name. The pathetic and fallacious arguments put forward here by some the loony right are borderline ignorant and re-tarded. I know JD, JD is a friend of mine, and JD is not a racist. I am a huge supporter of Ron Paul and Adam Kokesh for Congress, but I still believe that Fox News, Rush, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, the majority of T-baggers come off as douche bags! Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:59:52 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5590 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5591 Obama Derangement Syndrome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leH2wKuGz2E God Bless the USA Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:02:51 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5591 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5592 Yeah, Tea bagging was probably an easy target. Ron Paul is a consistent politician. I’d like to know which arguments are fallacious and borderline ignorant though. I’d also say that it is a minority of tea-baggers, not a majority. Fejer, you, I am almost certain, would agree that the government—due to attributions by 24-7 news stations—has led to an AMerican Idol status of politicians…a real problem for Americans. These politicians are supposed to be our servants, not our leaders…they obviously think otherwise. Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:14:16 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5592 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5593 Hillary and Bill surrounded themselves with Communists too. Google Bill Clinton Paris Communist. Google Hillary Clinton Communist Marxist. World Net Daily copy and paste? Prove it. I didn’t know they knew anything about the UNM Peace Council, NM Peace Council, and NM Marxist Educators but if they do, I’d like to add to their info with more including the numerous spies the Soviets have placed in New Mexico. We have here the best and the brightest working at Los Alamos and Sandia on top of a nuclear stockpile, according to Bob Anderson who heads Nukes out of the Duke City, and the recently retired Stealth fighters in Alamogordo which now houses the drones. Don’t you think the Soviet KGB/Putin/FSB have a lookout at the Alamo airport? I like to glance at real news and facts where you get them Comrade Post: PWW.org and CPUSA.org. You can get the real PWW newspaper from Bobby, the semi-homeless man that sells it for a dollar in front of coffee shop across the street from the bookstore. For those of you who don’t know what PWW is, it’s the Communist Party USA newspaper but if you look at the paper, you won’t find any reference to the connection which is the Mother of All Deceptions! You can also go to Huffington Post which is full of Closet Communists who loved the Soviet Union more than their own country. Even though the Soviet Union, the Iron Curtain, and the Berlin Wall fell, they still have Cuba and now Venezuela, and their fuck-head leaders, to bend over for and without K-Y! “Obama Derangement Syndrome?” At least with Bush, we didn’t have suspicions on whose side he was ALWAYS on! Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:06:32 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5593 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5595 Muslims obsessed with pussy! Their leader, the Great Mohammad really liked little girls and even married one who was seven years old. Then he wrote in the Great Comic Book that if one becomes a martyr for killing infidels including their own daughters, other family members and just about anyone, including believers in Islam itself, they will get to rape 72 virgin little girls in Heaven. I guess since Muslim men are so weird and possessive, that they have to resort to a heavenly tactic since they “can’t get any” here! Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:51:30 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5595 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5596 Yes the thread has gone off track, probably because the Lobo has been asleep at the wheel now for a month, (and posting the same photos on the web site for this long is torture). What Mixing in large doses of radical liberalism and political leftists is attempting to fracture our culture and push our country toward communism. This effort from immigration results from an ideology of communism and spawns Rebellious losers who are still going through their adolescent rebel against authority phase. Which is a normal phase, however with the communist president and his administration in office these naive youngsters are becoming bewildered. They are confused about what to rebel against because Communism has usually been the trough of anti-authority they drink from. Now they have that at the top, and it’s like a black hole, drawing everyone in. Obaba is the worst president we could possibly have and the most incompetent. It’s definitely not because he’s black, he’s a communist, and inexperienced. This guy is an ACORN graduate for goodness sake. Yes it’s true that the Muslim fundamentalist like to gather young boys and place them in a mind-altering camp. Sitting them in front of pictures of luxury they’ver never seen before in their lives equipped with virgins. Here they pray over and over and promise they get “what’s in the picture” once they blow themselves up. They are truly pitiful animals. Sat, 09 Jan 2010 06:17:53 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5596 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5597 The cold war ended TWENTY years ago!! Get some new material. I don’t idolize President Obama. I don’t call him the Messiah, the anointed one, Sean Hannity does. I have respect for the POTUS because he has real ‘family’ values, he has worked hard his entire life to get where he is, and he is a centrist. The loony left has just as much contempt for him as the loony right. He inherited a plethora of epic and historical crisis’s. I don’t agree with everything he does. I think the Politicos and Lobbyists in Washington DC are disgusting, and would not mind seeing Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid thrown off a bridge. They are absolutely despicable. I believe Bush/Obama should have let the banks that were ‘to big to fail’ collapse on their own petards. Same goes for the U.S. Automotive industry. The stock market would have ticked down to zero, the dollar would have collapsed, and the USA would have gone the way of the USSR. The Government is still bankrupt, printing Federal Reserve Notes, but 4 how long? Like T baggers I know the narcissistic thrill of making a witty sign, and preaching to the choir in a ‘protest’. I pre-emptively protested the tragedy in Iraq, but was uncomfortable about the Peace and Justice crowd with their chants of Peace not War, because I’m not anti war, just lying to start a really stupid war. I always supported the effort to hunt down Bin Laden, but now have huge doubts about what we have been told about the failure on September 11, 2001. I don’t trust the Government, never did. I do know that attempting a bloody Revolution against the most powerful and technologically advanced military in World History would be a fool’s errand. You could always resort to asymmetric warfare and plant roadside bombs, kidnappings, but then that would make you just as loathsome as the Islamo-Fascists, right? It’s a shame that as UNM Students, Staff, Alumni, and Community that we can not have a rational and dignified argument about current events, politics, or even religion. The fact that no one on this this thread have condemned Ed’s remarks says a lot about the current state of the NEO-Conservative Republican T-Bagging Americans. “FUCKING TRAITORS AND REAL PIECES OF SHIT!!!” “you jihadi lovin’ piece of shit. seems to me you would know more about that teabaggin’ stuff than the TEA (Tax Enough Already) Party Americans. you ain’t fit to kiss their ass ya putz. you loony lefty loosers are makin’ a big mistake fuckin’ with them, a big mistake. and say didn’t i see your mama therewith her big truck drivin’ ass?” “why go there on me you jihadi lovin’ peice of shit? why do you care how we took out the tangos in fallujah.” a’give in to the dark side, go jihadi and get it over with and may you prematurely detonate and take some of them with you, worthless fuck.” “you scum-sucking piece of shit, you still around? talkin’ bout mixed blood. what? chihuahua and rat beagle? make that step to the jihadi side you unamerican fuckwit, do it, do it now! hell i’ll take up a collection to pay your one way trip to raghead land. piece of shit.” “your fucking hypocrites and beyond schtoopid. why have you not gone to the enemies side all the way? at least the jihadis have the balls to put put theirs lives on the line for their beliefs. you guys are just whiney little bitches. “you are an america hating piece of shit. case closed.” I hate Political Correctness and Censorship, and even hate hate speech. But I do know that the following discourse is a sad reflection on the hate and paranoia of the Obama haters. They will be better off when they come up with rational and critically thought out arguments, and there are plenty to be made. Just leave out the Islamic hate and Communist BS! regards Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:32:00 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5597 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5598 Damian, you are correct. It is a minority, not a majority. I should not lump all the Americans’ who have honest differences with the President in the same lot as some of the more extremist and ignorant T-Baggers and D-Bags. Islam should not be lumped together with a few extremists and terrorists either. regards Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:11:19 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5598 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5599 I for one don’t assume that when I read a statement in this thread that anyone is condeming all Muslims, all right wing individuals, all left wing individuals and so on. However it is tedious to have to always point that out, I think for most, it goes without saying. When discussing left wing losers, I certainly don’t intend to include anyone that is a registered democrat, etc. The jihad crew is made up of individuals who are aptly described as criminals, murderers, cowards, manipulators, and fanatics who meet criteria for several mental health diagnosis. Many of these are adjustment disorders. Additionally they appear to meet criteria in most cases for religious and spiritual problems as well as antisocial behavior. Treating them is not our problem, preventing them from harming us or ours is our problem. This includes, but is not limited to eliminating them as often as possible post interrogation. Referring to Obama as a communist is a very real and needed clarification, and I consider it a current day step away from political correctness, which I abhor. Trusting the government depends on perspective. A government is not trustworthy or not trustworthy, it’s the people in office. But although I have absolutely no respect for Obama, and believe him to be a hypocrit and a liar, in his defense there is very little he can do different that his predecessors relative to the international issues. The dye is cast and the USA plays a certain part that is not changed that much when we change presidents. I don’t hate Obama but I do hate what he stands for, he is not a traditionalist. The morays and traditions we’ve establilshed have a success rate, that in my opinion Communism in American does not. Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:26:47 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5599 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5600 In case ya’ll haven’t figured it out yet, this is the same schmoe posting under different handles. Too much time on his hands I guess Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:38:19 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5600 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5658 Learn about Islam: http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/57/HhN6CG1zCRc Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:06:56 -0700 http://dailylobo.com/index.php/comment/view/5658